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Old 12-01-2004, 01:17 AM   #1
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Atheist's are unable to prove to the world that God does not exist so instead of embracing a neutral position they base their assumptions on blind faith, illogical reasoning and irrational judgment.

Anyone who says there is NO GOD better have 100% proof that is an absolute undesputable fact with undeniable evidence to support that claim. Until then the only rational belief to embrace is NEUTRAL.

A 50/50 chance that God exists as the creater of the universe.

Evolution is an inconclusive theory.
The Big Bang is an inconclusive theory.

Where do you atheist's get the faith to believe there is NO GOD based off of inconclusive evidence that the universe has no designer? Such a stance is not only illogical but absolutely foolish and invalid.

Atheism exists in the delusional minds of irrational skeptics who embrace inconclusive evidence as the truth that there is no God.

The foundation of atheism is BLIND FAITH. Thus atheism is invalid and the fool says there is no God.
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:28 AM   #2
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Wow thats one of the biggest strawmen i've seen in quite a while!
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:33 AM   #3
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So just because something isn't proven to be true it is invalid? So you would agree that since their is no definitive proof for the existence of God, believeing in God would be invalid?
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Apparently a failure to disprove something equals a 50/50 chance of it being true.

In what other area of discourse would this obvious bollocks be even taken seriously for a second?
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:49 AM   #5
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Atheist's are unable to prove to the world that God does not exist so instead of embracing a neutral position they base their assumptions on blind faith, illogical reasoning and irrational judgment.
Nothing like a sweeping generalisation to begin an argument off with is there. Your argument is that if something can't be disproved then we must be agnostoic towards it? Are you agnostic towards santa claus, IPU (Invisible pink unicorn ), Allah, Odin, etc etc

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Anyone who says there is NO GOD better have 100% proof that is an absolute undesputable fact with undeniable evidence to support that claim. Until then the only rational belief to embrace is NEUTRAL..
See above, also out of interest which athiest are you talking about who is caliming 100% certainty ?

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A 50/50 chance that God exists as the creater of the universe..
Based on what evidence ? 50% chance indicates you have evidence that god is likely.

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Evolution is an inconclusive theory.
The Big Bang is an inconclusive theory..
Please look up the definition of a scientific theory. Your words are not as damning as you think they are.

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Where do you atheist's get the faith to believe there is NO GOD based off of inconclusive evidence that the universe has no designer? Such a stance is not only illogical but absolutely foolish and invalid..
We don't. Or you are using faith in the above sentence in a different way from the faith of theist. You can't win an argument by redefining a word to mean 2 different things. There is no evidence for god. Faith by definition means there is no evidence.

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Atheism exists in the delusional minds of irrational skeptics who embrace inconclusive evidence as the truth that there is no God..
Ad hom

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The foundation of atheism is BLIND FAITH. Thus atheism is invalid and the fool says there is no God.
Ad hom. See above remarks about faith.


I'm sure there will be better rebuttals than mine, but you've put out a naive case that shows your understanding of the issues to be wrong. I'd suggest you read some of the threads on the site that have very recently dealt with your points.
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:49 AM   #6
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Someone had better wheel out Pinkie the IPU. I can't be bothered.

[edit - whoops, too late. Thanks John]
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I thought agnostics where also atheist by definition; like babies. Agnostic atheist is the NEUTRAL position. I think theres a weak/strong issue here that gets quickly boring. I prefer to think that people just like to argue.
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A 50/50 chance that God exists as the creater of the universe.
Interesting. Where did you get the numbers from?

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Evolution is an inconclusive theory.
The Big Bang is an inconclusive theory.
Someone has a strange definition of "inconclusive".

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Where do you atheist's get the faith to believe there is NO GOD based off of inconclusive evidence that the universe has no designer?
Hint: Neither evolution nor the Big Bang theory say anything about the existence of a god. Can you say "strawman"?
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Cool Atheism is invalid because it's blind?

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Atheist's are unable to prove to the world that God does not exist so instead of embracing a neutral position they base their assumptions on blind faith, illogical reasoning and irrational judgment.

Anyone who says there is NO GOD better have 100% proof that is an absolute undesputable fact with undeniable evidence to support that claim. Until then the only rational belief to embrace is NEUTRAL.

A 50/50 chance that God exists as the creater of the universe.

Evolution is an inconclusive theory.
The Big Bang is an inconclusive theory.

Where do you atheist's get the faith to believe there is NO GOD based off of inconclusive evidence that the universe has no designer? Such a stance is not only illogical but absolutely foolish and invalid.

Atheism exists in the delusional minds of irrational skeptics who embrace inconclusive evidence as the truth that there is no God.

The foundation of atheism is BLIND FAITH. Thus atheism is invalid and the fool says there is no God.
Hi Absolute, do you have anything to back this up with?

As in, you list yourself as having god belief but do you have proof?

If not, shouldn't you likewise be an agnostic?

Why do you put the odds at 50/50?

If the odds are only 50/50 then, once again, why aren't you agnostic?

How is 'the faith of the atheist' BLIND? Do you mean it in the sense that atheism is so obvious that even the blind can see its logic, or something?

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Old 12-01-2004, 02:17 AM   #10
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A designer of the universe is a legitimate possibilty.

An invisible pink unicorn that you just made up has no validity and is not relevant to the universe so stop playing silly games. Does not exist.

Santa Clause is made up. He has been proven to be a hoax when you turn 8-10 so why are you even bring up rediculous notions such as that.

Allah is invalid. He sent no one to atone for sin so his forgiveness of his followers is unjust. Therfore he is immoral and imperfect. Allah does not exist and Muhammed is a false prophet of an idol he created.
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