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Old 03-13-2007, 01:36 AM   #41
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If Paul's immediate readers knew what Mark knew, there would be no reason for him to say more than what he said.
What makes you think they did know?
Many early Christian writers such as Clement didn't seem to.

You are assuming that the Gospel details were known to early Christians - but not one of the early writers mentions any of those details, yet later writings are full of them.

How could these details be known if no early writer mentions them?


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Old 03-13-2007, 11:54 AM   #42
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There is no evidence of interpolation nor of any dependence of Mark on Paul.
This does not mean they did not know about Paul or were not familiar with his views.
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The earliest Christian community may have consisted of many different groups
Yes, mythicists would agree. That's a basic mythicist assumption.
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Luke-Acts does not reference Paul's letters, and there is no textual nor any plausible reason to suppose Mark's author would have known of a letter Paul wrote to the Corintians.
Come now. No "plausible" reason? Where does this come from? Without saying he did or didn't, what makes it "implausible" that Mark knew something of Paul's letter?
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Paul's mention of the Last Supper is an example of "historical detail", there is no indication that his readers would ahve regarded "on the night he was betrayed" to not occur nowhere notime.
Who says they did?

Did you read the thing I posted about Prometheus? He snuck into Olympus "at night" by a back entrance and stole fire for Man. Does that make this event historical? Mythical events can take place at certain times of day.

We are not Paul's immediate readers. If Paul's immediate readers knew what Mark knew, there would be no reason for him to say more than what he said.[/QUOTE]

Except, once more:

1. It's not just Paul, it's ALL the epistle writers.
2. Paul is often writing to newly baptized Christians who seem shaky in their faith and vulnerable to "false apostles" preaching a "different Christ."
3. No one even says, "Remember, I told you what the Lord Jesus had to say about that issue when he was among us."
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:03 PM   #43
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IMVHO Paul simply didn't have a lot of material to work with when he came to try to prove that Jesus's death and resurrection had implications for the Gentiles.
But that's part of the point I was trying to make to gnosis92. Unlike you, gnosis92 seems to take a very literal view of the Gospels, holding that most of the stuff happened as described (I don't know how he feels about the miracles and such). If Paul knew all that stuff, he would surely have plenty of material to work with as regards Jesus' death and resurrection and whether the gospel was meant for the Gentiles. And surely Paul, having met Peter and James, would know all that stuff.
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