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reddish · 10-30-2005, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

in these 3 examples I don't see any list of values of the letters [...] also the other readers don't see the values of the letters

SophistiCat is using the letter-to-value mapping you yourself suggested to us in this post.

I for one am curious to see what your next <edited> excuse will be...

Pmarra · 10-30-2005, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by reddish

(CASE 1)
Your method on the 28-letter, 7-word verse of Genesis 1, using the Hebrew number table.

L = product-of-letters: 23887872000000000000000000000000000
W = product-of-words: 304153525784175760

L / W = 78538862695777494.78985......

Woops! Doesn't look INTERESTING AT ALL. Hmmm. What happens if we divide by 25000000000?

This yields 3.14155450..... Oh my God! Praise the Lord! That's Pi accurate to no less than (yelp) FOUR WHOLE DIGITS! Praise the Lord!

(CASE 2)

Your method on the sentence "Everyone has the right to life liberty and security of person", as suggested by you in this message, using the alphabet-to-number mapping you suggested in this post.

L = product-of-letters:629948826895203577036800000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000
W = product-of-words: 247284331984070731350000000

L / W = 254746761285216757290994226841553767607719485226.5 97500....

Woops! Doesn't look INTERESTING AT ALL. Hmmm. What happens if we divide by 81088412590400000000000000000000000000000000000?

This yields 3.141592653589.....Oh my God! Praise the Lord! That's Pi accurate to no less than (yelp) TWELVE WHOLE DIGITS! Praise the Lord!

Now please, once again, why is Case 1 more scientific, less arbitrary, than Case 2? :banghead:

the answer is very simple

I have already made other times a premise

but I don't have difficulty to repeat my premise

if we use this formula

(The number of letters x the product of the letters) / (The number of words x the product of the words)

with this formula we find Pi multiplied for 10e17 in Gen 1.1

but you are not using my formula

you use this other formula instead

(The product of the letters) / (The product of the words)

this is the true reason for all the preceding confusions

Pmarra · 10-30-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by reddish

Woops! Doesn't look INTERESTING AT ALL. Hmmm. What happens if we divide by 25000000000?

This yields 3.14155450..... Oh my God! Praise the Lord!

now you can easily see that I don't use this number 25000000000

but I always use this formula

(The number of letters x the product of the letters) / (The number of words x the product of the words)

TNorthover · 10-30-2005, 08:35 AM

If I may quote from your learned article:

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

That is:
... = PI_{biblical}/4 * 10^17

Now, unless my maths is even worse than I thought, PI_{biblical}/4*10^17 = PI_{biblical}*25000000000000000. Not quite what he posted, but certainly within the spirit of it.

Pmarra · 10-30-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tnorthover

If I may quote from your learned article:

Now, unless my maths is even worse than I thought, PI_{biblical}/4*10^17 = PI_{biblical}*25000000000000000. Not quite what he posted, but certainly within the spirit of it.

but I have also said this

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

Thus, if we multiply the result by the number of the letters and we divide them by the number of the words:
[2,3887872 x 10e34 x 28(num.letters)] / [3,041535... x 10e17 x 7(num.words)] = PI(biblical) x 10e17

We obtain the exact length of a circumference with a diameter of 10e17, that is, 1 followed by 17 zeros, thus a further demonstration of the intentions of the insertion of this fundamental number, Pi, in the verse.

it is clear therefore that I have always used the same technique

(The number of letters x the product of the letters) / (The number of words x the product of the words)

reddish · 10-30-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

but I always use this formula

(The number of letters x the product of the letters) / (The number of words x the product of the words)

Lovely!

Please show me, in your own post, where you indicate this. Methinks you're using this as a post-hoc rationalization.

Now, onwards......

From an English translation of the Iliad by Homer:

"As when some great forest fire is raging upon a mountain top and its light is seen afar, even so as they marched the gleam of their armour flashed up into the firmament of heaven."

Your method yields 3.14154398865 * 10^109 on this sentence.

So, what were you saying?

(Incidentally, the sentence "what were you saying?", when using 10^16 as a divisor, yields 2.7182 using your method, which is eerily close to the mathematical constant e .... :rolling: )

Now show us some of that famous christian humility, and retract your nonsense!

Pmarra · 10-30-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by reddish

From an English translation of the Iliad by Homer:

"As when some great forest fire is raging upon a mountain top and its light is seen afar, even so as they marched the gleam of their armour flashed up into the firmament of heaven."

Your method yields 3.14154398865 * 10^109 on this sentence.

So, what were you saying?

(Incidentally, the sentence "what were you saying?", when using 10^16 as a divisor, yields 2.7182 using your method, which is eerily close to the mathematical constant e .... :rolling: )

Now show us some of that famous christian humility, and retract your nonsense!

I have already said

You can probably find a value of Pi in some sentence as I have found Pi in Gen1.1

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

Probably if you use the same my technique applied to million of sentences you can find Pi in some sentence as I have found Pi in Gen1.1

You can probably find a value of Pi more precise than mine

But this your possible discovery is a confirmation of the extreme improbability to find Pi in every sentence however

But this your discovery is a confirmation of the extreme improbability to find Pi in every sentence however

reddish · 10-30-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pmarra

I have already said

You can probably find a value of Pi in some sentence as I have found Pi in Gen1.1

But this your discovery is a confirmation of the extreme improbability to find Pi in every sentence however

Okay, plain and simple..... What kind of thing would pursuade you that your result is concidental and meaningless?

Because so far I've met your challenge to the letter and you take it as a confirmation of your silly nonsense...

Pmarra · 10-30-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by reddish

Okay, plain and simple..... What kind of thing would pursuade you that your result is concidental and meaningless?

to continue in serious and scientific way this discussion is better to specify some things

in the whole torah there are numerous unlikely phenomenons similar to the word elohim and to the number pi

the torah is the original text of the first 5 biblical books

surely the phenomenons to be discovered are more numerous than those known

this is the real reason for which we can analyze only some other phenomenon in this forum

reddish · 10-30-2005, 01:05 PM

Please, just answer the question.

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