aa5874

History can also show that Augustus and Julius Caesar were Human.
Can you show that Jesus Christ was also Human?


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jgibson000

But your logic (and the documents of ancient historians) show that they were mythical. Do I detect a double standard here?

In any case, what do you mean by "history"? And how does "history" show that those whom, by your own logic" must be coansidered "gods" were human?

Why would I have any reason to doubt that he was?

Now will you please answer my questions?

Can you or can you not cite a text from Marcion's hand that documents that he actually described Jesus in the way you claim he did? Yes or no. If yes, let's see it.

Is it or is it not the case, as you have claimed it is, that Muhammed himself wrote documents, with great detail, for his followers? Yes or no. If yes, let's see your evidence for this.

Shall I take your silence on these questions to mean that your claims about Marcion and all great religious founders are bogus and that your knowledge of the things about which you make bold pronouncements (including what "history" shows and doesn't show) is far less than you would have us believe?

Jeffrey Gibson

Didymus

"Some sects of Christianity"? That implies that some don't make that claim. Which are those?

Really? On what basis could the NT have made such a ridiculous claim? After all, it's been "found to be false."

No kidding? It still claims Jesus was born? You'd think all those scribes would have fixed that by now.

But thanks for pointing that out. It ought to be obvious that, if the time of his birth is uncertain, he didn't exist.

Clearly, if we don't know where he lived as a boy, he could not have existed.

Profoundly so. But I seem to have forgotten the part about raising the dead in front of a "large multitude"? Does a houseful of people qualify as a multitude?

What is your source for this?

It's been confirmed. During Passover. Three days.

Come on. Have you really tried?

(Actually, it's one thing in the NT that actually may have been confirmed by an independent source.)

If that's how it appears to you, then that cinches it.

You seem to be a proponent of mythical Jesus theory. I'm sure the MJ folks are just delighted to have your support.

Didymus

aa5874

Jgibson000, can you show that Jesus Christ was Human? Is belief your evidence of the humanity of Jesus Christ?

Amaleq13

I think this earlier post answers at least some of your questions.

aa5874

Amaleq13, have found you any earlier post by anyone who has put forward any information or verifiable evidence to support the historicity of Jesus Christ?

If you find any, please direct me, I would appreciate that very much, thanks in advance.

jgibson000

No it doesn't. It's a "discussion" of critreia of "historicity" not what "history" is ot how "historyr allegedly shows certain things.

And, as you'll note, good old a man has once again hypocritically avoided providing what he has been asked to provide.

Jeffrey Gibson

jgibson000

Can you answer the questions I posed about what you mean by "history" and how "history" shows that Julius Caesar and Augustus, who by your logic are mythical, are really human?

And yes or no, are you ever going to answer the questions I posed to you about

1. whether you can cite a text from Marcion's hand that documents that he actually described Jesus in the way you claim he did;

2. whether it the case, as you have claimed it is, that Muhammed himself wrote documents, with great detail, for his followers.

3. whether I should take your continued hypocritical refusal to answer these questions as indicating that your claims about Marcion and all great religious founders are bogus and that your knowledge of the things about which you make bold pronouncements (including what "history" shows and doesn't show) is far less than you would have us believe.

Jeffrey Gibson

aa5874

Can you show that Jesus Christ was Human? How many persons named Jesus was crucified? Were they crucified on the same day?

jgibson000

I asked:

Can you answer the questions I posed about what you mean by "history" and how "history" shows that Julius Caesar and Augustus, who by your logic are mythical, are really human?

And yes or no, are you ever going to answer the questions I posed to you about

1. whether you can cite a text from Marcion's hand that documents that he actually described Jesus in the way you claim he did;

2. whether it the case, as you have claimed it is, that Muhammed himself wrote documents, with great detail, for his followers.

3. whether I should take your continued hypocritical refusal to answer these questions as indicating that your claims about Marcion and all great religious founders are bogus and that your knowledge of the things about which you make bold pronouncements (including what "history" shows and doesn't show) is far less than you would have us believe.

You responded with:

So I guess I have my answers to my questions.

No, you cannot answer the questions I posed about what you mean by "history" and how "history" shows that Julius Caesar and Augustus, who by your logic are mythical, are really human.

No, you cannot cite a text from Marcion's hand that documents that he actually described Jesus in the way you claim he did;

No, you do not know whether it really is the case, as you have claimed it is, that Muhammed himself wrote documents, with great detail, for his followers.

Yes, I should take your continued hypocritical refusal to answer these questions as indicating (a) that your claims about Marcion and all great religious founders and about what "history" is and how "history" disproves the conclusion arrived at through using your logic that Augustus and Julius Caesar were mythical are bogus and (b) that your knowledge of the things about which you make bold pronouncements is not only far less than you would have us believe, it is for all intents and purposes non existent.

Jeffrey Gibson