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Old 06-24-2006, 09:09 AM   #81
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I just recently saw a lecture on this subject given by a german mathematician.It was very boring and technical, but he had done all the math and came to the conclusion that the arks dementions were, in his words, "perfect", when considering stability in water and conserving building material.
Apparently you missed the hint that "dementions" isn't a word. Try a dictionary next time.
And I see that this "mathematician" was the nutcase Werner Gitt. So I don't even have to look his work up to know that it's a joke.

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you don't have to take adult animals.
And for some weird reason, god forgot to tell this Noah. Luckily, he figured it out himself. And the writer of Genesis forgot to include this important detail.
I might add that there are conutless other problems with this idea, but isn't it funny that one has to add countless silly idea to the text for it to make the slightest sense - even for believers?
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I am a new user, and an agnostic. Recently I got tangled in yet another annoying debate with a deist in regard to Noahs Ark. I have three main problems, and would like to know how one who believes the story to be true can reconcile them...
1. the ark measured 120 x 30 x 50, which is 180,000 cubic feet, how can that possibly fit the 1.875 million identified species in the world today
2. how were the animals dispersed after the flood?
3. what did the herbivores eat after the flood, and what did the predators stalk?
A christian who actually believes the Ark myth would say that their god can do anything. In other words, magic. Have you seen the last Harry Potter movie? Magic can make a huge home inside of a pup tent. God can make all those animals fit.

There is not arguing with that kind of thinking.
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also you don't have to take adult animals. a one ton crocodile starts out less than 1 pound.
Why do creationsists nsist on turning off their brains?

Young animals eat a lot. They're growing. They eat a lot. Any space savings by taking young animals is more than lost to the space needed for the extra food.
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Why do creationsists nsist on turning off their brains?

Young animals eat a lot. They're growing. They eat a lot. Any space savings by taking young animals is more than lost to the space needed for the extra food.
plus young mammals are often incapable of looking after themselves and require mothers attention and feeding - not to mention the carnivores require a parent to teach them how to hunt in the majority of cases.
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I already posted a thread about this some time ago

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=162441
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A christian who actually believes the Ark myth would say that their god can do anything. In other words, magic. Have you seen the last Harry Potter movie? Magic can make a huge home inside of a pup tent. God can make all those animals fit.

There is not arguing with that kind of thinking.
ask them to make god do it again, under laboratory conditions. find someone called isaac and sacrifice them if necessary.
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ask them to make god do it again, under laboratory conditions. find someone called isaac and sacrifice them if necessary.
I know a guy named Isaac that I would be happy to sacrifice.

Long story.
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OK Scartuna , let's try to use our heads here and make a parallel , on one side we have 4 guys who have been told by a god that they've never seen , to build a huge boat that people won't be able to reciprocate in size until the late 19th century AD with soft tools (we are in the bronze age) . First they'll have to find an appropriate site to make a clearing and build some scaffolding , then they' ll have to cut a lot more trees and make planks and transport those trees or planks to the ark site , at the same time they'll also have to take care of growing their own food ,care about their amimals and stash an enormous amount of hay and meat for themselves and the animals for the one year trip .

And on the othe side we have the queen Mary II that was launched about 2 years ago after about 4 years of planning with the most modern equipment and technology . Let's say that it took 6 years to build the ship and that 4000 workers equipped with the latest tools to assemble it . I agree that the comfort and plumbing were a notch better than on the ark but they also did not have to make every single thing from scratch (the steel to make the hull was made somewhere else and welded at the site also carpets ,wires, pipes etc.. ) .
4000 workers times 6 years equals 24000 workers/years , poor Noah and his sons could only put 4 workers/ years , so if Good ole Noah had started to buid an Ark of that size with the means of his time , as we speak today the ark would not be finished yet !

Now can you see the impossibility of the task !
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OK Scartuna , let's try to use our heads here and make a parallel , on one side we have 4 guys who have been told by a god that they've never seen , to build a huge boat that people won't be able to reciprocate in size until the late 19th century AD with soft tools (we are in the bronze age) . First they'll have to find an appropriate site to make a clearing and build some scaffolding , then they' ll have to cut a lot more trees and make planks and transport those trees or planks to the ark site , at the same time they'll also have to take care of growing their own food ,care about their amimals and stash an enormous amount of hay and meat for themselves and the animals for the one year trip .

And on the othe side we have the queen Mary II that was launched about 2 years ago after about 4 years of planning with the most modern equipment and technology . Let's say that it took 6 years to build the ship and that 4000 workers equipped with the latest tools to assemble it . I agree that the comfort and plumbing were a notch better than on the ark but they also did not have to make every single thing from scratch (the steel to make the hull was made somewhere else and welded at the site also carpets ,wires, pipes etc.. ) .
4000 workers times 6 years equals 24000 workers/years , poor Noah and his sons could only put 4 workers/ years , so if Good ole Noah had started to buid an Ark of that size with the means of his time , as we speak today the ark would not be finished yet !

Now can you see the impossibility of the task !
you forgotone important thing. god can do anything so he just magicked it into existence.
Of course this just begs the question: Why not simply magic all the bad people away? Why force noah to jump through all those hoops? why murder all those poor innocent animals?
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Exactly. Modern ship building depends on a huge infrastructure of mining metals, processing those metals, energy to to power tools, tools that are built by other companies other than the ship building company...

There is no way Noah could have build an ark big enough to house all those animals by himself or with the help of his family. I would say even collecting the lumber to build the ark would have been beyond their capabilities.
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