Wolfhound

Wow, it's like Old Home Week here, innit? That Dave... always draws a crowd. Kinda like a traffic accident with really juicy, squishy fatalities.

Calilasseia

There's something strangely, compellingly fascinating about creationist trainwrecks ...

angelo

The same way science will one day work out how a burning bush could talk.
And how an all-seeing all-knowing god was walking in the cool of the day, and asked ''Adam where are you''?

hecate

The sheer inevitability alone makes it ... :banghead:

Roland Anderson

Just thought I'd register my presence as someone who's been following the Mysteries of AFDave since almost the beginning. Dave truly is the Duracell Bunny of creationism - I'm only glad that there are so many Duracell Bunnies of reason to keep him in line. Let's hope that the moderation here forces him to keep to his commitments - unlike some fora I could mention...

deadman_932

We have chateau thames embankment (2006, an excellent year), thunderbird and mad dog 20-20 :thumbs:

Roland: Browsing through the threads, I like the moderation here . It should be uncomfortable for Dave, although he's got a veneer of sincerity about him at the moment.

Calilasseia

Just checked the formal debate thread ... seems Dave is still using tired old arguments that were demolished at RDF, along with some new gems about camels. Watching CM dismantle this should be fun.

damitall

I TRY to keep away from it, I TRY, honest - but that <edit> addiction has me in thrall.

So here's me, raising a measure of Tobermory single malt to all davewatchers.

Cheers!

Oh - can someone explain, please, what the camel thing is all about? - I was too far down the bottle when I found it.

Cheers again

SpaghettiSawUs

Classic reasoning:
Lets go with this.
Say Dave is correct and camels were domesticated and in use earlier than thought then what exactly does it prove?
What exactly is Dave's claim? Archaeological support for a biblical detail. But there's no big deal with camels in the bible, surely at the time it was actually written (~550 BC) camels were in widespread use. So there is no real point to this argument since it is merely evidence for camels actually being used as described in many historical references.
Early nomadic people domesticated camels, and sometimes mentioned camels in their myth-telling. Big deal.

Another non-argument about a trivial detail.

Now, if say 14C data all of the strata at Lake Suigetsu dated to about 3,500 years ago (or any one particular date depending on one's assumptions of 14C present in the atmo/bio-sphere at the time of the flood ), then the correlation would be entirely in line with Dave's suggestion that all of the varves were laid down in one super-laminating torrential downpour.

Which, of course, is not what we see at all. Instead, every 14C dateable artifact correlates well with the layer in which it is found.

This is all consilient* with the multiple other observations of historic 14C content, varve deposition rates, climatic models, ice deposition rates etc.

Cheers
Spags

*I use the word in the vain hope that Dave will read my post and have an epiphany as to its meaning. Credit as ever to the Ratty One for first introducing this sledghammer of a term into Dave's frame of reference.

Hi Damitall, welcome to the show, cheers!
Looks like we crossed posts, was obviously having the same brainache about the logic of teh camels.

damitall

Thanks, Spags

Seems odd to be banging on about something as non-controversial as domesticated camels when there's SO much else of much more importance to his argument to be attended to.

I think CM can allow dave his camels without conceding anything significant.

It occurred to me, reading an article about the Oztzal Alps Iceman in National Geographic......the corpse is reliably dated to 5300 years ago, i e post-creation but preFlud in daveworld. It obviously hasn't moved since death, since his grass cloak was found beside him. So why o why did this global inundation not melt the ice he was buried in, separate him from his belongings, and decompose the body?

By heck, this Tobermory is smoooooth