premjan

why is it spelt as zakaat / salaat / allaat then?

justsumner

You are wrong. The Name of god in the bible is nearly eveything from "The High mountain" to "I am who I am." Personally, I believe gods name is "BOBO the dancing clown."

Yet another prosyltizer out to save us fallen...... :banghead:

aboesmael

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Barnabas and Aryan history

Barnabas was a Jew born in Cyrus. His name was Joses,
and due to his devotion to the cause of Jesus, the other apostles had given him the surname of Barnabas; this term is variously translated as "Son of Consolation" or "Son of Exhortation".
ªªª He was a successful preacher with a magnetic personality. Any one tormented by the clash of creeds found solace and peace in his company. His eminence as a man who had been close to Jesus had made him a prominent member of the small
group of disciples in Jerusalem who had gathered together
after the disappearance of Jesus. They observed the Law of
the Prophets, which Jesus had come, "not to destroy but, to
fulfil" (Matthew 5:17). They continued to live as Jews and
practiced what Jesus had taught them. That Christianity could
ever be regarded as a new religion did not occur to any of
them. They were devout and practicing Jews distinguished from their neighbours only by their faith in the message of Jesus.
ªªª In the beginning they did not organise themselves as a separate sect and did not have a synagogue of their own. There was nothing in the message of Jesus, as understood by them, to necessitate a break with Judaism. However, they incurred the enmity of the vested interests among the Jewish higher echelon. The conflict between the Jews and the followers of Jesus was started by the Jews because they felt that the Christians would undermine their authority.

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aboesmael

chapka

So what?

radagast

aboesmael,
Meaning no disrespect, but why would you expect us to have interest in this?

Most of us would rank the picky details of Islam/Christianity/Judaism, with the importance of knowing the exact number of hairs on the back of a Tibetan yak.

While it's obviously important to you, how is anything you are saying more than just preaching or proselytizing?

Regards,
Glenn

aboesmael

As this posting was not well received, I have made a new posting to discuss the Naturalist theories of Darwin and modern evolutionists. As such, I will not continue with this thread. thanks.

Mughal

Well dear premjan, Arabic is a gender based language and so are all languages that are derived from Arabic eg urdu, farsi, pashto etc etc.

What I mean is that each and every noun itself in arabic has a gender either male or female and likewise the verbs too are gender based that go with nouns. Many word of feminine gender are therefore ended with a round ta to indicate their femininity.

aboesmael

Mughal...
your knowledge of Arabic is as little as your knowledge of Islam, or probably even less.

I am an Arabic speaker by native tongue, while your native language is Urdu, Punjabi, or Pushtu. Also, I am a specialist in Arabic exegesis, and in Qur'anic tafseer.

In Arabic grammar, you can use the preposition 'yaa' to denote "oh, you...", for example 'yaa Ali' will mean "Oh, Ali", and you can use the "lam at-ta'areef" (al) to denote specificity
but in the entire Arabic language, one can NEVER use both together, for example the term "ya al-so-and-so", like "ya al-Ali".
The ONLY exception in the Arabic language to this rule is when one says "yaa Allah".

For another example, one can say "ya ayyuhan nas"
or "ya ayyuhal muddathir" to denote one calling to a group or an individual, but you can never say, in proper classical Arabic, "ya ayyuha Allah".
While one could say "ya ayyatuha al-'Uzza", or "ya ayyuhas Sanam", meaning "oh, Laat", "Oh, 'Uzza", "Oh, idol whatever", for the name Allah, there is only one way to contrive the same meaning, which is to say "Allahumma".
And the formation of "Allah"-umma can never be used with any other word or name.

So, the entire argument that the name Allah is an inflected form of some pagan tribal god's name is based in ignorance of the language. Not to mention the fact that the name Allah preceded the names of the the tribal gods.



ابو اسماعيل aboesmael




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lpetrich

Urdu, Farsi, and Pashto are NOT derived from Arabic, no matter how many Arabic borrowings they may contain. THey are Indo-Iranian, a subgrouping of Indo-European. And Arabic is NOT Indo-European.

From Mark Rosenfelder's numbers page:

Indo-European:
English: one, two, three, ten
Old English: an, twa, thri, tien
Old Norse: einn, tveir, thrir, tiu
Gothic: ains, twai, threis, taihun
Latin: unus, duo, tres, decem
Greek: heis, duo, treis, deka
Russian: odin, dva, tri, desyat'
Serbo-Croat: jedan, dva, tri, deset
Lithuanian: vienas, du, trys, deshimt
Avestan: aewa, dwa, thraio, dasa
Pashto: yaw, dwa, dre, les
Pahlavi: evak, do, si, dah
Farsi: yak, do, se, dah
Sanskrit: eka, dva, tre, dasa
Sinhalese: eka, deka, tuna, dahaya
Hindi/Urdu: ek, do, tin, das

Semitic:
Akkadian: ishten, shena, shalash, esher
Arabic: wahhid, ithnan, thalatha, 'ashara
Aramaic: xadh, tereyn, telatha, 'asera
Hebrew: ahhat, shtayim, shalosh, 'eser

Mughal

Hello brother aboesmael,

1) Please note that YAA is vocative or if you like exclamative particle in speech not a preposition. It is to draw attention of the 2nd person or towards the noun to follow.


2 ) The prefix AL=definite article ie as the in english. This is why you may not use the YAA particle with the definite article because the noun or a proper noun may already have identified the person or thing you are talking about, if not then you can. ALLAH is no exception unless you make it. It is the belief that Allah is unique being or thing therefore you do not apply grammar rules and not that Allah is exception. YAA AL ALI will be fine too if there were more than one ALIs and you meant to speak about the one you intended. Grammar is nothing solid but liquid ie it is what you make it.

Just as muslim grammar is based upon the quran so is muslim history. Anything against the quranic speech was not acceptable so everything was bent as far as possible to keep it correct islamically.