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Although many will, I don't find this at all implausible. Imagine the superstitious polytheists of Greece/Rome being handed this book and told it contains ancient wisdom. Would someone take that and run with it? I don't see why not - possibly even as an official attempt to undermine the more traditional messianic movement and prevent a 3rd major Jewish uprising.
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Up to or around 135 CE it would appear that Jews in general still expected a human only Messiah, even after the destruction of Temple at around 70 CE. In order for Simon Bar Cocheba to have been successful, and eventually believed to be the Messiah, he must have had or was likely to have had the support of virtually all Jews or at least the vast majority of Jews.
The God/man Messiah is anti-Jewish, the anti-Christ of the Jews. In gMatthew 5-7, the anti-Christ, the God/man Messiah, would teach the Jews to abandon the teaching of the Jewish Messiah. or Jewish Laws. Examine Exodus. Exodus 21.23-25 Quote:
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That is a very early argument against Christianity that Christians violently struggled with--if the Old Testament is correct, they are supposed to believe in one God only, so how can Jesus be God? And it was one of many reasons for Jews to disbelieve the claims of Jesus as the Messiah. That is probably why the religion spread much more among the gentiles than the Jews and why the Apostle Paul became the torchbearer of Christianity instead of the Apostle Peter.
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It is also erroneous to think that all christians believed in the identical God/man Jesus as found in the NT. It would appear that by the 2nd century the God/man Christ concept was out-numbered maybe more than 15 to 1. This is a partial list of other Christian sects. Valentinus, Ptolemy, Colorbasus, Marcus, Simon Magus, Menander, Saturninus, Basilides, Carpocrates, Cerinthus, Ebionites, Nicolaitanes, Cerdo, Marcion, Tatian, the Encratites and the Barbeliotes |
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Clearly, there was a good reason the Hebrew scriptures assured a Messiah would be a plain, normal human in every sense of the world. There is no merit in a spiritual force performing miracles or resurrecting himself - there is when this refers to humanity. Moses was a Messiah of his time - and remains the most believed human - by period of time, cencus and impact. And he was just a man. |
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This is the book that I am currently reading that might be of interest to some here:
The Only True God: Early Christian Monotheism in Its Jewish Context (or via: amazon.co.uk) Review "This work puts forward a compelling thesis, questioning the default assumption that what separated first-century Jews and Christians was the Christian elevation of Jesus of Nazareth to divine status as equal with YHWH. McGrath shows decisively that this was not so, arguing with clarity and force and engaging the relevant bodies of primary and secondary literature with precision. A significant and useful book." Paul J. Griffiths, author of Lying: An Augustinian Theology of Duplicity (or via: amazon.co.uk) Product Description Monotheism, the idea that there is only one true God, is a powerful religious concept that was shaped by competing ideas and the problems they raised. Surveying New Testament writings and Jewish sources from before and after the rise of Christianity, James F. McGrath argues that even the most developed Christologies in the New Testament fit within the context of first century Jewish "monotheism." In doing so, he pinpoints more precisely when the parting of ways took place over the issue of God's oneness, and he explores philosophical ideas such as "creation out of nothing," which caused Jews and Christians to develop differing concepts and definitions about God. |
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