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Toto · 12-16-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by show_no_mercy

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(Though this is not entirely true; the examination of Roman documents reported the crucifixion of one Jesus of Nazareth)

Is that true?

No. Where do you see this?

show_no_mercy · 12-16-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

No. Where do you see this?

Apparently it was edited out after I posted it. It was after the last sentence here:

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Lack of early non-Christian references to Jesus. Advocates of the Jesus Myth idea point out that the earliest references to Jesus are by Christian writers. They argue that no Roman or Jewish sources from the first century mention him.

Some fundy is probably going to edit it back in later...

Jack the Bodiless · 12-16-2005, 12:38 PM

I suggest you mention it on the discussion page. It's possible that the fundy is referring to the forged "letter from Pontius Pilate" without knowing it's a forgery.

Roger Pearse · 12-16-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

So Andrew, in a page on the historical Jesus, you would consider the paragraph:

The historicist position is that Jesus was a historical person who was crucified by the Romans sometime around 30 AD and founded the religion that bears his name. This position is held by Juan Peron, General Franco of Spain, and the Ku Klux Klan.

...acceptable and not at all objectionable? The inclusion of that remark is there simply as a smear and for no other purpose. It matters not a whit who believes in the HJ.

Vorkosigan

Do you consider the influence and standing of Engels equivalent to that of Peron? Is that list of people who believe in the HJ as representative as listing Engels?

But I think you know the answer to your own question. Quite why you think mentioning Engels is derogatory I don't quite understand myself.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

countjulian · 12-16-2005, 01:50 PM

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Quite why you think mentioning Engels is derogatory I don't quite understand myself.

Marxism has seen better days in the arena of public opinion (just ask the kulaks).

GakuseiDon · 12-16-2005, 03:00 PM

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Quite why you think mentioning Engels is derogatory I don't quite understand myself.

Perhaps, to make a point more appropriate to another thread, I should point out that Vork has lived in Taiwan for a number of years, therefore his objection to Engels should be dismissed as obvious bias?

Toto · 12-16-2005, 03:07 PM

What's the connection between Engels and Taiwan??

mata leao · 12-16-2005, 04:15 PM

I lived in taiwan for a number of years myself, and I concur with DR. Roger Pearse.

GakuseiDon · 12-16-2005, 06:25 PM

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What's the connection between Engels and Taiwan??

Lots of anti-communist people in Taiwan. Taiwan's Civil Association Act doesn't even allow the promotion of communism, for example.

No, I'm not seriously claiming that Vork's objection to the link to Engels is due to anti-communism. My point is that bias is the easiest thing to claim. Better to stick with the evidence. If the evidence by HJers isn't sufficient, then nothing wrong in pointing that out. But no need to impune people's motives for believing it until their reasoning is examined.

Djugashvillain · 12-16-2005, 06:37 PM

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DR. Roger Pearse.

Gee whiz! Wow! He must be right, what with a PhD and all!

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12-16-2005, 12:38 PM	#23
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	I suggest you mention it on the discussion page. It's possible that the fundy is referring to the forged "letter from Pontius Pilate" without knowing it's a forgery.

12-16-2005, 03:07 PM	#27
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	What's the connection between Engels and Taiwan??

12-16-2005, 04:15 PM	#28
mata leao Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: tampa,florida Posts: 342	I lived in taiwan for a number of years myself, and I concur with DR. Roger Pearse.

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