judge

Here are some quotes attributed to some guy called Earl Doherty on an amatuer internet blog.


"I am periodically criticized by my dissenters on Internet discussion boards for not making a more determined effort to do that, though it’s clear that their motives are anything but prompted by a desire to have the case for Jesus Mythicism properly evaluated. They fully expect that if “peer-reviewed,” that case would be soundly trashed and mythicism revealed as charlatanry. Of course, “peer review” is a woolly term, and if the dissenters themselves are any indication (and they are), those “peers” would hardly give it an honest hearing,..."

and a very short time later in the same interview..

"This is the sort of atmosphere one is up against in any attempt at “peer review.” I’ve just chosen not to waste my time with it."
You've "chosen not to waste your time with it."

But on the other hand you arent avoiding it. :huh:

Toto

We don't have any evidence of Jews opposed to Paul, outside of Christian fiction in the Book of Acts. Even there, Paul seems to have preached that Jesus could be found in the Hebrew Scriptures. What would these Jews have denied?

We do have evidence from Paul's letters, that he opposed people preaching "another Jesus." These were presumably other Christians.

There are people today who think that if Jesus didn't exist, it would destroy Christianity. The opponents of Christianity that we know about in the first five centuries thought that the most powerful refutation of Christianity would be to claim that Jesus was a mere human who was born of ordinary parents and was crucified.

aa5874

The answer is obvious.

No one heard "Paul" in the 1st century BEFORE the Fall of the Temple.

"Paul" began to preach the FAITH and SAW Jesus after he was raised from the dead on the THIRD day according to the scriptures.

Please tell me when exactly did Jesus resurrect on the THIRD day?

There was NEVER such a day.

"Paul" is a LIAR.

"Paul" lied about being a witness of the resurrected Jesus so is NOT a reliable source.

Even the very Church through Eusebius claimed "Paul" was aware of gLuke.

The abundance of evidence from antiquity suggests that the Pauline writings are NOT from the 1st century as "Paul" or the Church would like us to believe.

aa5874

Actually, we don't know about any credidble corroborative source for the Jesus story in the 1st century.

The evidence suggest that it was from the 2nd century that the Jesus story was circulated.

Opposition to the Jesus story by non-apologetic sources are found from the 2nd century.

MCalavera

All you're spouting are unfounded speculations. Yapping about them all day will not convince me, mate. Try harder.

MCalavera

And I could've sworn I read more than once Paul indicating that the Jews did not believe Jesus to be the awaited Messiah.

aa5874

You have already admitted that "Paul" was lying.

Please, I only show what is written in sources of antiquity not what you imagine.

Ga 1:1 - If Jesus was a publicly KNOWN man then "Paul" was a LIAR.

The written sources of antiquity has been YAPPED.

You YAP rhetoric.

Galatians 1.11 Again, if Jesus was a PUBLICLY known man for about 30 years in Galilee, then "Paul" was a LIAR.

1Co 15:15 -
The dead does not rise in THREE days. "Paul" is a LIAR.

Toto

You can search online texts of the Bible for specific references. Otherwise, it is hard to know what you are talking about - Paul in his relatively authentic letters? Pseudo-Paul in a forged letter? The character Saul in Acts? And what did "the Jews" not believe?

Kapyong

Gday,

Contemporary?
With WHAT?

Not contemporary with Jesus - the JMT says there was not Jesus in history.

Not contemporary with Paul - Paul says nothing clearly historical about a Jesus that could be challenged.

Contemporary with the Gospels? Which DO have historical claims that could be challenged. But they only arose over a CENTURY after the alleged Jesus - after two wars with the Romans had trashed everyone and everything.

Please explain exactly WHO and WHEN could have denied Jesus?
Because no Jew heard the story till long long afterwards.

And HOW?
How could some person living a CENTURY after the alleged Jesus actually know he didn't exist? How? Only by knowing every person and every thing that ever happened in that whole period! Completely impossible.


K.

Kapyong

Gday,

Deny WHAT?
What on earth is there in Paul to deny?
Please quote the passages in Paul that you think Jews could have denied as not historical.


K