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The teachings of Jesus in the short gMark is the DNA of the EARLY writings.
The teaching of Jesus in the short gMark is consistent--I will be killed and then I will resurrect. Mark 8 Quote:
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In the short gMark Jesus ONLY taught that he would be Killed and then resurrect--that's all. When Jesus resurrected the story ENDED. |
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So it is not hard to figure out that when you are pregnant you will have baby, that must true, so let's not get stuck on this as fact, but rather consider what happened after that to this Jesus here now in Mark. Now back on the ranch, the rancher knows that 'first time calfing heifers' are known to make a dash after that horrible ordeal that brings new life about, and so abandon the very reason that they are. To avoid this the rancher knows to take care of them so this will not happen, time and time again, or at least to often to him as the good shepherd in charge. So yes, Mark's story Ended there, but also with no good news to dwell among us. It is therefore that this good rancher knows that she can do it alone, and must do it alone in due course only, for her mother did, or she would not be here now. (cf from his mother womb untimely ripped). But with his own abandonment also left the scene without new life for him, and so Mark is not wrong with all the mechanics in place to do it right, but only the good shepherd is missing and that forshadowed Luke to follow to cash him in and take him home. |
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How do you guys interpret the two "for many" statements (10:45 and 14:24)? In what sense did the Jesus of shorter GMark give His life as a ransom for many and pour His blood of the (pre-existing?) covenant for many?
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We know exactly what is found in the short gMark and we know what was Interpolated and added. We have a copy of the forgery called the LONG gMark
The post-resurrection visits by Jesus, the Great Commission authorising the disciples to preach the gospel to the WHOLE world and the Ascension were added to the short gMark by another unknown author. The interpolations and additions to the short gMark DESTROYED the original plot of the author. The author of the short gMark wanted to show that the Jews and even his own Jewish disciples Rejected Jesus as the Son of God and Abandoned him. The author showed that in his story the very disciples of Jesus did NOT take up their crosses and followed him. The disciples FLED when he was arrested and he was bertrayed by Judas and Denied by Peter. In the short gMark even the disciples did NOT really understand that Jesus was the Son of God and attempted to Save their own lives. Now, based on Isaiah 6, the Jews must NOT understand that Jesus was the Son of God and Messiah UNTIL AFTER c 70 CE or AFTER the Jewish Temple has fallen and the cities made desolate. The Jews MUST not be converted until AFTER the Temple has been destroyed. Effectively, there could NO Jesus cult BEFORE the short gMark story. No Pauline lettters and No Pauline Churches before the Canonised short gMark. |
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The short [and earliest] version of gMark clearly shows the evolution of the myth from pure hearsay of some obscure sayings right up to gJohn and beyond when these obscure sayings of what Burton Mack calls the Jesus People, or the community of Q from whom the sayings originated.
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The Teachings of the Church of God PREDATE the Pauline letters. Stories of Jesus MUST have been known in the Church of God when Paul was a Persecutor. |
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I tend to agree with you. Were accounts of the Great Commission in the other gospels also interpolated? Other than the longer ending of Mark in 16:9-20, were other interpolations made? Is the shorter version of Mark the same as Ur-Markus/ Thanks! Onias |
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I still wonder what the two "for many" statements (10:45 and 14:24) are hinting at if His death merely marks the end of a career in which He preaches repentance but is rejected and misunderstood. In what sense did the Jesus of shorter GMark give His life as a ransom for many and pour His blood of the (pre-existing?) covenant for many?
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The difference is that until Luke was there only the wrong was known and the caution of Isaiah is there only because he knew they would, and will, and did, and already had long since before Isaiah wrote that caution. It is just a natural thing to do for seekers who look with curious eyes but do not see, and so indeed what they see is the Son of God but he abandoned them and they worship the idol that they saw who brings not peace but strife among the Jews. The Canon came after Luke set the record straight because you cannot have a wrong without right, and nothing has changed today where the right is still denied by the Matthew and Mark discipleship who still spread strife instead of peace, and the iconoclast/holoclast is still as real as ever. |
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