Wads4

God does not annihilate souls once they are God-conscious. It would be very unethical and unrighteous for God to create you with the ability of awareness of Him only then to annihilate you like a peace of garbage.[/QUOTE]

Since you seem to have detailed knowledge of all of God's intentions, why did God cause/allow so many extinction events, including the alleged Biblical flood? Many Christians say that all of God's creation have/had awareness of him, expecially those drowned in the flood, even if they were "unrighteous";- yet he destroyed most life in the great Permian extinction and others, and the Dinosaurs, and Noah's allegedly wicked contemporaries?

lvdyou

I can stay a short while, for someone is complaining I can't handle the heat, so let me come back for a few more posts to answer your points and that I am not leaving because of the heat generated in your mind's difficulty in understanding, but rather to leave you with responsibility to come to Christ yourself by the grace of God; not to hold your hand anymore. Remember, everything you need, that is, all the proofs of our discussion are in this link and chapter 3 of the download. http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mystery.htm

Recall that the 6 days are days of restoration. Therefore the light was there already, except that darkness was confined on the earth in Gen. 1.2, and then the light shown through that darkness. The planets all existed already, so that it was a restoration of what could not be seen before due to that darkness. Northern Lights is an example. Anytime you first see the glimmer of something first you see that light and then after, the object that emminates that light; so too is it with earth, the sun and the starts in its coming into orbit, or even losings its atmosphere for whatever reason. If the earth is just coming into orbit with the sun billions of years ago then earth would be quite dark, but as it drew closer the sun actually could be seen. This is the three means by which this can occur.

The birds naturally would develop from the water to the ground to then fly. It is a process. There is no contradiction in this. This is how scientists believe it occurred.

The evidence in demons is men like Hitler. He was possessed. Different degrees of manifestation are seen. Evil men throughout history were often possessed by demons. That is your evidence. For no reasonable man ought to behave such a way so the impetus of a demon causes the man to believe in their evil that the man willing accepts, and so the man commits atrocities that make absolutely no sense. There is a reason, for it is denominically inspired instilling self to sin.

The rib is made of bone that formed from dust; ie. from generation to generation until pre-adamic man to when the molecules of nature turned into the first living organism from dust or the elements. Perfect cause and effect.

Before Adam there was no God-consciousness, so that what developed is all considered dust as part of the means by which God created the first Adam. Today we are in the last Adam those who are saved - a new creation. As noted previously when the firmament was split up came some demons (not a good day), so it is quite clear there was sin activity as seen entering the serpent also.

Once this process started, the sin must get resolved not by magic tricks but authentically. Man was safe as along as he did not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in that safe garden, but that did not last for man's curiosity got the better of him. We are all born into sin now, whereas we would have not been if Adam had not done what he did.

What I have provided you is the original word of God. I don't give it labels, just explain it as is. We know the earth had to come into orbit around the sun and that is what would affect these changes, as well as experiencing northern lights or even losing atmosphere. Perhaps even continuous massive cloud cover. There is this force of light through the universe, scientifically speaking.

You keep asking for why the two genesis accounts are contradictory. They are not two accounts, for one merely gives additional detail to the former. They are complimentary, just like Rev. 12 to 21 gives increased detail of the major points of Rev. 6 to 11. God gives the descriptions then expands on it. That is good literary style.

All this matches perfectly with what we know today in science. And you have not found one flaw yet so the only possible explanation why you keep contending is because your have darkened hellbound mind. It need not be this way for you. You can come to Christ this very instance according to John 3.16, 18. God has given you that right. Stop the mental gymanstics for it is your pathetic mind that is blocking you from giving up the selfish self.

lvdyou

I love you, I don't want you to go to hell. If you were to jump in front of a bus, and I did not try to stop you, according to you that is Christian love to let you die. It is not Christian love to watch you kill yourself and stand by doing nothing about it. Therefore, I let you no all else being equal, you are hellbound unless you come to Christ.

It is not hard to fathom why this is hard for you to understand. Hell is quite large you know; there are so many on that wide path. Do you see how you were trying to be clever about Christian love, but you got it all backwards. You get it backwards because your spirit is dead but it could be quicked if you give your life to Christ. Your reasoning is horrible because your conscience is foggy.

lvdyou

This is my last round of posts just for you so that you can see the problem in your heart, that is, if you are willing. I understand why this is hard for you to understand. If you still can't find a single mistake in the Bible you got to by now wonder if you are all right mentally why you obsessed still on this hellbound course calling Jesus a liar.

http://christianity.3.forumer.com/in...act=boardrules

lvdyou

Since you seem to have detailed knowledge of all of God's intentions, why did God cause/allow so many extinction events, including the alleged Biblical flood? Many Christians say that all of God's creation have/had awareness of him, expecially those drowned in the flood, even if they were "unrighteous";- yet he destroyed most life in the great Permian extinction and others, and the Dinosaurs, and Noah's allegedly wicked contemporaries?[/QUOTE]

God already said, it was His wrath against sin. Christians don't say any have God-consciousness except man. Ask any animal and he can not tell you that there is a God. Nor can a mountain or tree do so either for they are without God consciousness. It is understandable that you might say a Christian believes this or that in your postulation, but without the Holy Spirit they are entirely inaccurate assessments of what a Christian means. Non-believers like to claim this or that about a Chritian, but the reality is it is not so as it turns out experientially.

Those saved in the flood, who were drowned, will be resurrected on resurrection day. Dinosaurs were evil creatures. There was great amount of sin in Noah's day documented in the Bible. People live and gave real accounts of their lives and their times.

lvdyou

You know where to reach me if you need to. I may post here again in 2006, but I am done for 2005; no point in helping men or women who want hell. Every year I post, and the same mistakes arise in your hearts here.

All necessary references have been supplied, so you must now carry the work of understanding yourselves. I can not cater to your flesh. The choice is now left up to you.

Let me leave you with this one thought, especially for Christians who may come here to try to help these unregenerates,

You may want to convince a person with many verses but if a person doesn’t want to listen after reading only a few posts or a few verses then why waste your time? Did the Messiah waste his time in such a way? I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it many more times, people believe what they want to believe. Only the few who love true honest reason will listen to Truth.

Praise the Lord!

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Christianity.htm

Javaman

Goodbye. So maybe next year you'll bring the evidence along?

J

MsChutzpah

This:


is "true honest reason" !!????


All that is accomplished by people like lvdyou is to remind many of us of what blind faith does to the mind of the believers, and how far we've come to escape from all that hatred. We know that we must be ever vigilant; we must never let people like that become the majority. We have to keep on trying to educate them about their religion's history. *sigh*

Phishfood

the gymnastics are yours. the accounts are not comlimentary, because the order is mixed up. god can't make plants, then animals, and then adam and eve if, in the same creation, he makes adam, then plants and animals, and then eve. this is NOT complimentary.

the planets did not all exist already. according to genesis, god MADE the planets after the light. you could NOT see the light and then the object that eminates it because there was not light, according to genesis, before the astral bodies. i would have to, somehow, see the planets and sun first, and then see the light. which is ridiculous.

can you give biblical references for this pre-Adamic state? because i have already provided a romans passage stating that there was NO SIN before Adam.

please, elaborate.
-Pf

Phishfood

except this is not what you said. you didn't say anything about saving, or being nice, or "watch out, there's hell."

what you said was thank god that there is hell

-Pf