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Old 09-08-2004, 09:23 AM   #11
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I don't know how pertinent (or common) this is, as I've never seen it before but:
That it has to be marked as "advertisement" is news to me.

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How much does this effect the peer review process, if at all?
Shouldn't affect it at all. The review process is managed by an editor of the journal, but all printing stuff, including page charges, by production editors. At least this is the case with AIP (american institute of physics) journals.
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I don't know how pertinent (or common) this is, as I've never seen it before but:

How much does this effect the peer review process, if at all?
That just means that the author paid to publish it, as is the case with most journals. Authors pay page charges, extra money for color pictures, etc. This is standard.
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Old 09-08-2004, 09:35 AM   #13
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That just means that the author paid to publish it, as is the case with most journals. Authors pay page charges, extra money for color pictures, etc. This is standard.
I knew that most authors pay to publish (esp. color prints!), but I had never seen any marked as "Advertisement".

Just did a google search and it seems this type of acknowledgement is somewhat common.
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Although many scientists assume that Darwinian processes
account for the evolution of complex biochemical systems,
we are skeptical.
I wonder if exon shuffling is not a Darwinian process, or if they are equally skeptical of it...
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On the board where IamMoose's creationism discussions are going on, one of the creationists has linked to a PubMed abstract of a recent Behe paper

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15340163
Darn it, I can't seem to get the full article either thru entrez or proteinscience.org. Could someone kindly send it to me or provide a different link? Much appreciated.

Besides the arguement from personal incredulity, Behe also subtly brings up the idea that the only good mutation is a bad mutation.

Having reviewed a couple (hundred) papers in my time, I would have rejected this one immediately based solely on the abstract. There's no support (data, modeling, or otherwise) for the conclusions they arrived at. Just my 2 pence.

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Darn it, I can't seem to get the full article either thru entrez or proteinscience.org. Could someone kindly send it to me or provide a different link? Much appreciated.
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As far as I can tell, it hasn't been published online yet. Even the DI doesn't have the full text online, just the abstract. People at places with institutional subscriptions to Protein Science can get it.

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Darn it, I can't seem to get the full article either thru entrez or proteinscience.org. Could someone kindly send it to me or provide a different link? Much appreciated.
Any of the mods know the rules on disseminating articles published in journals in electronic format? I have the article, but don't want to be sued for giving it away...
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Hang on for a bit, please. Protein Science makes full text available only to subscribers. I'm initiating a MCR thread to address this question.

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Hang on for a bit, please. Protein Science makes full text available only to subscribers. I'm initiating a MCR thread to address this question.

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Since the journal holds the copyright to the paper, it has the right to control distribution of it. "Fair use" is permitted, but promiscuous distribution is not. For example, a paying subscriber is permitted to download a copy for his/her own use, but a subscribing professor could not download a copy and reproduce it for his/her class. There are more twists and turns, but that's the gist of the law. See here for one university's take on it.

As far as this board is concerned, II does not encourage or condone violations of copyright law. We edit numerous postings that quote too much copyrighted material from outside sites. In addition, I stronly suspect that we would edit out a link to an unauthorized distribution site. II is not a "common carrier," AFAIK, and if such a link were posted in this Forum I'd edit it out just to protect the Board and the Forum Mods.

If there's any change or further clarification of policy from higher II authority, I'll let you know.

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Since the journal holds the copyright to the paper, it has the right to control distribution of it. "Fair use" is permitted, but promiscuous distribution is not. For example, a paying subscriber is permitted to download a copy for his/her own use, but a subscribing professor could not download a copy and reproduce it for his/her class. There are more twists and turns, but that's the gist of the law. See here for one university's take on it.

As far as this board is concerned, II does not encourage or condone violations of copyright law. We edit numerous postings that quote too much copyrighted material from outside sites. In addition, I stronly suspect that we would edit out a link to an unauthorized distribution site. II is not a "common carrier," AFAIK, and if such a link were posted in this Forum I'd edit it out just to protect the Board and the Forum Mods.

If there's any change or further clarification of policy from higher II authority, I'll let you know.

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Thanks for the info. I didn't think a subscription based service would want its material distributed too freely, but I'm also a little undereducated on what is allowed as far as journals are concerned.

As far as the OP: here's a link to a Nature news blurb titled:Peer-reviewed paper defends theory of intelligent design. And it's not referring to Behe's...

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/0409...l/431114a.html

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The paper appeared in a low-impact journal, Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. But critics say that it could still be used by advocates of intelligent design to get the subject on to US school curricula (see Nature 416, 250; 2002).

The article comes from the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Washington, a leading promoter of the theory. In the article, senior fellow Stephen Meyer uses information theory and other techniques to argue that the complexity of living organisms cannot be explained by darwinian evolution (S. C. Meyer Proc. Biol. Soc. Wash. 117, 213–239; 2004).
You'll have to register if you don't have a subscription, but I think their premium content is free for a while.
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