Sauron

Yes, I do.

That is the claim.
The problem is that the prophecies are so utterly, terribly wrong.

Interesting claim. Let's see the proof.

Hopefully with more data and less rambling.

Sauron

Except that the hebrew prophets were:
1. predicting things (allegedly) in the future.
2. Which didn't happen.

Points #1 and #2 didn't apply to your bedouin example.

(not that I place too much faith in the story anyhow...)

mata leao

cont....integral to the basic Hebrew prophetic "schematic" is that the evil other nations do to Israel always strikes them-again "proportionately"...Pharoah, Haman,Egypt, Babylon, Assyria,Hitler, etc etc......Divine retribution is meted out according to the principle of 'measure for measure' (attribution DR. Batzri)..When God establishes a cycle, or pattern or season he continues these same cycles, patterns and seasons. (attribution Dr. Perry Stone)...Dr. Wein, in explaining how God speaks through his prophets says that "Only the humble can understand the spiritual prophecies of God.....they are not formulated by lawyers and wordsmiths, and not written to be clinical, antiseptic, lawyer- like contractual agreements......they require wisdom to interpret and 'righteousness' to understand. Prophecies from God are a type of blessing and are meant most for those who deserve it, for those who will use them wisely and properly." to be cont..

Sauron

*yawn* - you'll have to show that these individuals and countries:

a. did evil to israel; and
b. suffered proportionately for it

And these people are........who?

If true, Perhaps bible literalists should remember that when insisting that the prophecies were fulfilled.

Handwave. If they can't be understood by the non-initiated, then the unbelievers can't be faulted for not listening to them.

Instead of writing unconnected paragraphs in multple posts, I have a better idea: go to bed<edit>and write a coherent response tomorrow.

mata leao

cont..... In studying the Hebrew prophets and prophecies, it is necessary to decide whether the prophet is being used to warn a disobedient Israel or to warn nations which are persecuting Israel. Ezekiel 26: 1. In the eleventh year, on the first day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me:"Son of man,because TYRE has said of Jerusalem, 'aha! the gate to the nations is broken, and its doors have swung open to me; now that she lies in ruins I will propsper,' 3 therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am agaisnt you, O TYRE, and I will bring MANY NATIONS against you, like the sea casting up its WAVES. 4 THEY will destroy the walls of TYRE and pull down her towers; I will scrape away her rubble and make her a BARE ROCK. 5 Out in the sea she will become a place to spread fishnets, for I have spoken, declares the sovereign Lord. She will become plunder for the NATIONS., and her settlements on the mainland will be ravaged by the sword.Then they will know that I am the Lord. 7 "For this is what the Sovereign LOrd says"...to be cont.

John A. Broussard

(You seem to have missed this post, so I'm repeating it for your benefit.)




Since you seem to have a clear understanding of the bible, I wonder if you could explain the following to me:

JOSHUA10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Could you describe what actually happened that day?

Thank you.

mata leao

I thought we were discussing the prophecy of Tyre and its destruction by various means. ??? And Mr. Broussard I was trying to give some background into the Hebrew prophetic way of thinking and speaking. I am not sure I understand your question?

mata leao

I will have to finish typing out the long series of Bible verses dealing with the TYRE prophecy later. I'm tired.

John A. Broussard

I consider this an ideal way for you to give some background into the thought of the bible writers.

This is a simple straight-forward verse which may be difficult for some of us to understand.

Your explanation would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Sven

Small question: In your opinion, does this look more like a failed prophecy or more like a fulfilled one?
You see, 100% certainty is impossibly anyway, so I just want you to give a percentage of how likely it is that this prophecy was fulfilled.
I'll start with my estimation: about 0.0000000001%.
On to you.