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Can someone please help me understand what this thread has to do with BC&H?

Dave Reed

I am a Believer in Yahweh, The Elohim of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and post often in this forum.
As a Nazarene Believer, I remind you of these words;

"Cast not away therefore your confidence, which has a great recompence of reward.
For you have need of patience, that, after you have done the will of El, you might receive the promise.
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. "
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that BELIEVE, to the saving of the soul." Hebrews 10:35-39


It's certainly a pleasure to view a post of someone who has some REAL understanding of the Master. DITTO here!

Toto

The OP at least asks about the morality of the God portrayed in the Bible, which is not the same as the Existence of God. But I've thought that this might have a better home in another forum. Let's try Moral Foundations.

EarlOfLade

ROFLMAO!

"Hey! X is going to rule your life, but never ask for evidence, just have faith in X"

Wonderful!

If "Real Life" worked that way, it would be chaos.

EarlOfLade

ROFLMAO!

"Hey! X is going to rule your life, but never ask for evidence, just have faith in X"

Wonderful!

If "Real Life" worked that way, it would be chaos.

David B

What difference does belief make, unless the belief is well founded?

I'm saying that the evidence against a god that fits a literal interpretation of the bible is, fortunately, sufficient to show that belief in such a god is clearly out of touch with reality. Because the god of the bible interpreted literally is a ...lets not mince words... a monstrous sadistic asshole.

There are more liberal biblical interpretations, which the better informed and, IMO, less morally challenged, Christians find acceptable to them.

Now - let's get back to the beginning.

Why believe in the truth of the bible - literal or allegorical - as opposed to other writings, ancient or modern?

David B (doesn't believe in any supernatural claims, biblical or otherwise, but is prepared to be convinced by sufficient evidence)

Dave Reed

"Hey! X is going to rule your life, but never ask for evidence, just have faith in X"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++

Who says there's no evidence. I've learned to not "fly off the handle" for
instance, because someone else sees things a bit different. It feels very
good. You should try it sometime

David B

Please learn to use the 'quote' thingy.

I had to go back to see that you were responding to Earl, which was a little inconvenient.

When you say 'no evidence' please state, in quote or otherwise, what you claim there is no evidence for.

Bloody hell, at this time of night, over in the UK, some of us are well down the bottle of wine. Don't make things hard for us.

I've gone back to the thread, and I gather that he fact that you don't fly off the handle at opposing views counts as evidence for Christianity, as far as I can see.

Well, neither do I, and I hate faith, and faith in the various cults that make up faith in all the Abrahamic religions in particular. Eastern religions and paganism don't seem to me to, in general, suck as much.

OK, I say there is no evidence that stands up to sceptical examination for any sect of any of the Abrahamic religions. Not 'no evidence' - but I don't see one bronze age written history based on oral traditions, and including a lot of supernatural claims as constituting better evidence than any other, and in all cases that evidence can be summed up as 'not enough evidence to have any confidence in'.

What evidence, that I might have missed, that does stand up to sceptical examination, do you have?

David B (will not jeopardise his health by bating his breath)

orac

Do you want to know why it's morally acceptable for god to cause the death of babies, or do you want some nice fairy story that will let you be comfortable believing what you want to believe?

No, seriously, whinging that you want a fellow believer to help with your doubts is cool, I guess, but if you care more about suppressing doubts and making excuses for god (when you clearly find it difficult to justify killing babies) than the actual morality of killing babies, aren't you in the wrong place?

But try this popular demonstration of christian compasion and love on for size, if it'll help: might makes right. Either praise god for killing babies, or reject him and go to hell. You choose - support baby killing, or be tortured for all eternity.


Well, a quick survery of the baptists, catholics, anglicans, sunni muslims, shiite muslims, and the jews (aren't there at least a couple of different subsets of them?) has revealed one important fact:

There are many groups who all claim that Abraham the father of Isaac offered his son as a sacrifice to their deity - yet not one group has been able to prove to the others that their interpretation of the holy book of the god of Abraham is in fact the correct interpretation.

Those groups lack sufficient evidence to persuade all who worship the god of Abraham that they should sign up to one religion and stop trying to kill each other. If they can't do that, why should anyone else assume that any of those groups are correct?

Sheshbazzar

I took up the task Bunyip, with the hope that you would give your serious consideration to that which you in your original post in this thread, claimed to "believe" in.
Many verses proclaiming our Heavenly Fathers compassion have been brought forth and displayed.
I also explained the manner of the relationship that men have with Elohim.
And predictably, was remonstrated with mockery, derision, hostility and rejection by the non-believing denizens of this site.

You asked for input from a believer, This day, I have set before you the Testimony of Scripture, and my beliefe and reasoning.

It is now up to you alone, to choose what you believe regarding The Elohim of The Ages.
You can choose to accept His words, and the testimony of fellow believers,
Or you can choose to reject The Holy Scriptures, the counsels of The Most High, and the fellowship of the saints, and join yourself to the opinions of these, the non-believers, the mockers, and revilers of all that is called Holy.

As was written many years ago; "By your words you shall stand justified, or by your words you shall stand condemned."