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HaRaAYaH · 09-01-2009, 05:03 AM

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Coming short of the mark is another way of a failing or fall. One is not automatically penalized by this, and it all depends how one acts after the failing, with a host of exit clauses applying.

It very much depends on what the mark is. Only one male high jumper wins the gold at any particular Olympics, the rest are sinners, nevertheless, the vast majority of people do not try to win the Olympic gold for high jumping. In a word, if sinning is failure to achieve a particular aim, then one needs to know what that aim is before deciding whether or not sin has interesting implications for one's conduct.

Of course, if you are Jewish, the goal is spelled out in the Torah, the Talmud and the Shulcan Aruch....

HaRaAYaH · 09-01-2009, 05:09 AM

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And giving birth on the sabbath was definetly out of the question as that labor defined work. I heard that there was not one Jew to ever have been born on the sabbath day. Amazing. :cheeky:

Having sex on the sabbath was prohibited also. As was spilling one's seed upon the gound. Or even thinking about anything but Yahweh all day long. I bet Jews had to literally put themselves to sleep to avoid the death penalty for thinking to offend god on the sabbath.

Dare a child to play with a toy on the sabbath, for that might have been construed as idol worship. Especially if a kid were to tie two sticks together in resemblance of a cross. They'rd be hell to pay for sure.

You are so off base as to be not even on the field of play. Having sex on the Sabbath is not prohibited, in fact it's encouraged. Children are exempt, so you are wrong there. I know you are trying to be "cheeky", but your understanding of Judaism is so meager it would be lost in a thimble.
What Judaism did with the Sabbath is create a cathedral in time as opposed to space.

bupanishad2012 · 09-01-2009, 12:13 PM

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Interesting stuff. The Old Testament has a moon god(?)

Absurdities of the absurd. Perhaps the poster is referring to the pre-islamic Arab people. Abraham concluded 4000 years ago against the worship of the sun and moon, declaring all these must be ruled by one transcendent source - and monotheism was born.

This is not an 'old' testament [a disrespectful, derogatory term] because it is 4000 years old and still very active today with no alternatives. The so called NEW testament has lost this battle - Islam emerged in the same space-time negating the new and alligning with the old. These are signs and omens.

From Wikipedia:
"Nanna's chief sanctuary at Ur was named E-gish-shir-gal ("house of the great light"). Sin (later to be equated with Nanna) had a sanctuary at Harran named E-khul-khul ("house of joys"). On cylinder seals, he is represented as an old man with a flowing beard and the crescent as his symbol. In the astral-theological system he is represented by the number 30 and the moon, symbolic of the moon's crescent that often appears next to him in Mesopotamian cylinder seals. This number probably refers to the average number of days (correctly around 29.53) in a lunar month, as measured between successive new moons.

The "wisdom" personified by the moon-god is likewise an expression of the science of astrology, in which the observation of the moon's phases is an important factor. The tendency to centralize the powers of the universe leads to the establishment of the doctrine of a triad consisting of Sin, Shamash, and Ishtar, respectively personifying the moon, the sun, and the planet Venus.

He was named Sin in Babylonia and Assyria, and was also worshipped in Harran. Sin had a beard made of lapis lazuli and rode on a winged bull. His wife was Ningal ("Great Lady"), who bore him Utu ("Sun") and Inanna (Inanna is recognized as being the Sumerian name for Ishtar). His symbols are the crescent moon, the bull (through his father, Enlil, "Bull of Heaven"), and the tripod (which may be a lamp-stand).

An important Sumerian text ("Enlil and Ninlil")[2] tells of the descent of Enlil and Ninlil (pregnant with Nanna/Suen) into the underworld. There, three "substitutions" are given to allow the ascent of Nanna/Suen. The story shows some similarities to the text known as "The Descent of Inanna"."

Andrew

IamJoseph · 09-01-2009, 03:00 PM

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No contest here. Coming short of the mark is another way of a failing or fall. One is not automatically penalized by this, and it all depends how one acts after the failing, with a host of exit clauses applying. Technically, one can be saved even for the worst crimies in the final instant. It is said:

WHERE A REPENTENT SINNER STANDS - THE MOST RIGHTIOUS CANNOT.

For Christianity, yes. For Judaism, you have missed the mark

. There is no saving required. Even the work we translate as repentance, teshuvah really means return...

Do your maths. Christianity commited the greatest and gravest crimes in human history, against the reverse proposition in Judaism. That is what happens when one messes with the Hebrew bible and distorts it. Who would cherish the Psalms and also pray that Jews are born of the devil - this is Roman and Protocol guile, in the same vein as they corrupted the Balfour and target a small nation for 2000 years - all in the name of love and truth.

IamJoseph · 09-01-2009, 03:03 PM

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but your understanding of Judaism is so meager it would be lost in a thimble.
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When have any such charges not been wrong!

IamJoseph · 09-01-2009, 03:05 PM

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An important Sumerian text ("Enlil and Ninlil")[2] tells of the descent of Enlil and Ninlil (pregnant with Nanna/Suen) into the underworld. There, three "substitutions" are given to allow the ascent of Nanna/Suen. The story shows some similarities to the text known as "The Descent of Inanna"."

Andrew

Then it must have been the sumerians who challenged Rome's divine man in 70 CE and Europe thereafter.

Bullmoose Too · 09-02-2009, 09:40 AM

Sins are used to control people and make them feel bad about themselves when there is nothing to feel bad about.

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