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In this sense is religion an exercise that leads us into slavery and sin so it may convict us as sinner (which is the purpose of the law) and lead us to redemption and total freedom in the end. |
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Here are some of the major objections, complete with OT references for your perusal, in a nutshell: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/jews-j...sus-index.html And here is another explanation, again with references: http://www.aish.com/rabbi/ATR_browse...=tqak&offset=2 I was once given a complete list of the things Jesus didn't fulfill, by a rabbi. If I can dig it up, I'll post it here for you. |
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The groups who were eventually called "heretics" and "gnostics" certainly were part of the same general early religious movement but only because nobody had created a specific and exclusive definition of "Christianity" yet. Once certain beliefs were identified as "orthodox" and all others "heresy", and the "orthodox" folks declared their beliefs were the only true Christianity, the "gnostics" were no longer part of it by the new definition. Pagels focuses on Irenaeus as a central figure in the above process so you might want to read through his arguments Against Heresies at Peter Kirby's website. |
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The old Jerusalem is the old mind that is bound in slavery and sin while the new mind will be set free from slavery and sin. Therefore "it was for liberty that Christ freed us. So stand firm, and do not take upon yourself the yoke of slavery a second time" (Gal.5:1). This also means that the prophesy was never meant to be a literal event that would bring peace to the entire flock at once. To fulfill the law is to find agreement with it as the effective agent that leads to salvation = knowledge frees. |
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With regard to the OP's #2, this is a classic text:
Bauer's Orthodoxy and Heresy Of course, this work hasn't escaped scholarly criticism, but I'm not aware of those critics being reproduced online. It did also win many supporters. best, Peter Kirby |
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