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Old 04-25-2012, 04:13 AM   #11
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It is an ideological war then? The wish to replace one well tested and tried influence in Western society by screeching deniers. I much rather prefer to integrate Christianity into a secular commonwealth where religion is a harmless hobby for those that find the private need for it.



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So is this about "western society"?
Yes, I happen to live in the Western Hemisphere and it is about changes in the society in which I live.
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43 of the last 97 threads are about an historical Jesus. With this post we will go to 50/50, and the only thing preventing us slipping into an overwhelming majority of HJ threads is Stephan Huller.

Why is this issue so important? Why should anyone (non Christians) care?
It doesn't matter, but it sure is fun watching normally intelligent people put historical value into an obvious myth.
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It doesn't matter, .
Well it does seem to matter, otherwise we would not have had 43 out of 97 threads concerning it
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43 of the last 97 threads are about an historical Jesus. With this post we will go to 50/50, and the only thing preventing us slipping into an overwhelming majority of HJ threads is Stephan Huller.

Why is this issue so important? Why should anyone (non Christians) care?
It doesn't matter, but it sure is fun watching normally intelligent people put historical value into an obvious myth.

LOL. So, that is what it is: an imitation of the Elizabethan sport of bear and bull baiting .


Christianity is a historical event.
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So is this about "western society"?
Yes, I happen to live in the Western Hemisphere and it is about changes in the society in which I live.
People in the west have believed in an historical Jesus for almost 2000 years.
What changes are happening today that are relevant?
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Is there a strategic importance for atheists to deny that Jesus ever existed?
Did Jesus (as recorded) have anything distinctive to say? Did he have good recipes, for onion soup or bagels? Did he invent mobile phones? Did he establish a political theory? Did he set a land speed record?

Or what?
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Yes, I happen to live in the Western Hemisphere and it is about changes in the society in which I live.
People in the west have believed in an historical Jesus for almost 2000 years.
What changes are happening today that are relevant?
What are the changes that the Mythicist sect of the humanist movement wants to introduce in our society is what this thread should try to answer
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43 of the last 97 threads are about an historical Jesus. With this post we will go to 50/50, ...
44 out of 98 is not 50/50.
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Yes, I happen to live in the Western Hemisphere and it is about changes in the society in which I live.
People in the west have believed in an historical Jesus for almost 2000 years.
What changes are happening today that are relevant?
They have not.

The (merely) historical Jesus is a recent invention of the past few centuries. This Jesus was originally an anti-Christian invention of Deists and humanists, meant to cut the god Jesus down to size for a civilization that had stopped believing in the supernatural.

But Christians, who do not believe in a merely historical Jesus, appropriated this historical Jesus.

And in the meantime, the Quest for the historical Jesus started to collapse under the weight of its own illogic.
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Lots of attention is given to nonsense topics. As for the mythical Jesus position, it draws less attention than the theory that ancient Aliens built the pyramids. You can't get through a week of the strangely named History Channel without being treated to the ideas of someone calling himself an "Ancient Alien Theorist". Nonsense sells.

As for myself, I don't care whether Jesus existed or not. I am offended however as a skeptic when folks trot out convoluted theories supporting the proposition that nothing is as it seems and it has recently been discovered that the man Jesus didn't exist at all. In a thousand years Holocaust Denial will be equally credible. No remaining witnesses, all of the documents have been changed to support the myth.

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