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ziffel · 05-21-2009, 12:24 PM

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Deuteronomy 25:12 then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

If that doesn't give you the warm & fuzzies for Yawheh, I don't know what will!

ApostateAbe · 05-21-2009, 03:04 PM

"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals..."

I'll never understand women.

Smullyan-esque · 05-21-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

You might as well just cut to the chase and say, "Everything I believe is true because I'm infallible so I can't be wrong about any of it."

Yeah, that's an important point. Fundamentalists who have no doubt about their beliefs are laying claim to having a Godlike mind. It always puzzles me: Why aren't they more humble? Don't they think God is going to be pissed at them for strutting around claiming to BE God?

Deus Ex · 05-21-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smullyan-esque

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

You might as well just cut to the chase and say, "Everything I believe is true because I'm infallible so I can't be wrong about any of it."

Yeah, that's an important point. Fundamentalists who have no doubt about their beliefs are laying claim to having a Godlike mind. It always puzzles me: Why aren't they more humble? Don't they think God is going to be pissed at them for strutting around claiming to BE God?

A lot of fundamentalists claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit. They think that God himself is inside of them.

Voice of reason · 05-21-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

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Originally Posted by Bill Joey

Is mostly borrowed from this man:

http://www.farrellministries.org/

Okay guys. Lets discuss this method.

No thank you. That is a preaching web site, not an apologetics web site. Skeptics at these forums are interesting in evidence, not preaching.

Since thousands of churches all over the U.S. have preachers, if skeptics want to be preached to, all that they have to do is go to a local church, or watch preachers on television.

As some skeptics have told you, studying the Bible is what caused them to give up Christianity.

That is what made me abandon faith and embrace reason.

Doug Shaver · 05-22-2009, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Joey

I had a debate with a new evangelical a few weeks back who claimed that my soul winning technique (pass out tracts, engage the sinner in conversation to tell him/her about their hell bound condition) is not the best method. I told him that he denied the doctrine of Sufficiency, because he thinks that the Bible alone is not powerful and effective.

Translation: Since you are infallible, anyone who disagrees with you must be in error. This new evangelical disagreed with you. Therefore he was in error. QED.

Doug Shaver · 05-22-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Deus Ex

A lot of fundamentalists claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit. They think that God himself is inside of them.

Yep. So ask them whether they could be mistaken in that belief.

bleubird · 05-22-2009, 02:54 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ja...n_of_the_Bible
Seems like it was as much about politics as it was about theology.
Were all the scribes inspired by god?
Were the dudes at Nicene inspired by god?

Vill · 05-22-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bleubird

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ja...n_of_the_Bible
Seems like it was as much about politics as it was about theology.
Were all the scribes inspired by god?
Were the dudes at Nicene inspired by god?

That's quite an interesting read, I must say...

Quick question for Bill Joey - which version of the KJV is the 'right' one then? The one that includes the Apocrypha, or not?

Sajara · 05-22-2009, 05:13 AM

Note to bleubird: Yes, the dudes at Nicene were inspired by god. A third of them were inspired by the holy spirit and tried to get their favorite gospels into the bible. The other third was Jesus' inspiration, and the final third were inspired by God's isnpiration. That way we can get around the fact that it was a council of humans that brought these works together, not God. Otherwise we'd get into the whole why did God tell all these people to write gospels and then only bring a few of them together. Note also that I am being facetious here.

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05-21-2009, 03:04 PM	#52
ApostateAbe Contributor Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MT Posts: 10,656	"If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals..." I'll never understand women.

05-22-2009, 02:54 AM	#58
bleubird Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 2,737	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ja...n_of_the_Bible Seems like it was as much about politics as it was about theology. Were all the scribes inspired by god? Were the dudes at Nicene inspired by god?

05-22-2009, 05:13 AM	#60
Sajara Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New England, USA Posts: 1,596	Note to bleubird: Yes, the dudes at Nicene were inspired by god. A third of them were inspired by the holy spirit and tried to get their favorite gospels into the bible. The other third was Jesus' inspiration, and the final third were inspired by God's isnpiration. That way we can get around the fact that it was a council of humans that brought these works together, not God. Otherwise we'd get into the whole why did God tell all these people to write gospels and then only bring a few of them together. Note also that I am being facetious here.

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