steve_bnk

First and foremost within Jewish law he was a blasphemer if you go by the NT.

In the NT he always seems to be on tne run on the outskirts. Somehewer he asks for people not to reveal where he was.

In the garden scene when arrested his crowd appears to be armed. He could have been a militant radical and not so easy to capture, especially if he had a following.

It could explain why the Jews turned to Rome for prosecution.

aa5874

Again, in the NT Jesus was God Incarnate and the Child of the Holy Ghost. The story cannot be altered. The Gospels are historical sources that show what people BELIEVED in antiquity.

The stories are myth fables but they represent what was BELIEVED by Christians in antiquity.

Other Christians of antiquity BELIEVED other myth fables.

Some Christians BELIEVED the myth fables of Valentinus, Marcion, Cerinthus, Carpocrates, the Ebionites, Empedocles, and others.

mountainman

Jesus can only be accounted as a criminal if he was historical. If Jesus was not an historical figure, then the criminal cannot be Jesus. Is Lex Luthor a criminal? Is Darth Vader a criminal? Was the Balrog under the Halls of Moria a criminal? Of course not, its all just entertainment value being created by the authors of fiction.

On the other hand if Jesus was not an historical figure, then the criminal may in fact be Big E., who was an historical figure, and very influential in the edited version of the "historical" Jesus story hitting the streets. The betting is that Jesus's editor, Big E., may have been a pious forger.

Doug Shaver

It would be, at the present time in the jurisdiction where I now reside.

I'm not up to speed on the law of either Judea or Rome circa 30 CE.

andrewcriddle

If I were to knock over a bookstall in a Cathedral and claim as justification that it was a legitimate protest against the commercialization of a holy place, then it would be for the courts to decide whether I had committed a crime. (This is a separate issue from the morality of my action. Actions are (often) legal but morally wrong and actions are (sometimes) illegal but morally justified.) In the absence of a successful conviction, or a clear precedent involving a similar case, it is difficult to determine the legal status of my action.

Andrew Criddle

Steve Weiss

Funny how the Jews allegedly got Rome to do their dirty work vis a vis Jesus, and the same Romans tried to destroy the Jews on other occasions. Who was in charge, the Jews or the Romans? Of course, the quandry falls away if one takes the position that the Jesus story is fictional, which it certainly is. The bible is nothing more than the overblown musings of primitive minds foisted upon a gullible public looking for hope and miracles where there were none.

steve_bnk

AGAIN in the context of the times I believe in the possible of an HJ upon which the tales were spun.

If you have such a bias against religin that it does not allow for historical speculation, not my problem.

It is your, dare I say it, 'cross to bare'.

Christians as an identity did not exist unlit late in the first century.

It was at first a Jewish sect in a time of sedition and Jewish natiionalism.

steve_bnk

Politics and humann naturee as it was and is, there would have been influence peddling, mixed loyalties, outright treason for money, and the rest in the Jewish relations with Rome. In the tale JC is poking a stick in the eye of the wealthy and powerful Jewish religious elite.

Temple business supporting temple ritual and sacrfice was big busness. From the temple.money changers tale JC was mixng it up with the wrong people.

As an analogy imagine a modern Christian mystic wandering in from the desert and into a mega-church overturning tables, breaking for profir DVDS, and proclamng them evil....better yet, wandering into the studio when Pat Riobertson is taping a show.

The fact of his demise one way or another would probably have been sealed by his own hand.

Speculation by analogy to what we see today and what we have docuemented from history, humans politically tend to act the same throughout history.

I tend to believe ther was an historoical JC or several from which a composite was crafted.

aa5874

I am NOT really interested in what you believe. It is already known people may believe myth fables are history.

I am interested in the historical sources of antiquity.

You have NO historical sources of antiquity for a man/woman of Nazareth.

You should know that "BELIEF" can be developed from Imagination alone.

An inquiry into the veracity and historicity of the NT has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "bias against religion".

The finding that the NT is a compilation of myth fables has NOTHING whatsoever to do with "bias against religion".

It has been FOUND that CHRISTIANS of antiquity did BELIEVE in many, many myth fables.

Please see "Against Heresies" attributed to Irenaeus, "Prescription against the Heretics" attributed to Tertullian and "Refutation of All Heresies" attributed to Hippolytus.

You have ZERO credible historical sources for your BELIEF. I am NOT really interested in what you BELIEVE. Billions of people BELIEVE Jesus is God Incarnate WITHOUT a shred of credible historical evidence.

I have SOURCES of antiquity that show that Vespasian was considered the Messiah as predicted by Jewish Scripture.

Wars of the Jews 6.5.4 You talk BELIEF. I talk SOURCES of antiquity.

There is ZERO credible historical sources of antiquity that show that there was a JEWISH MESSIAH called Jesus in the 1st century before the Fall of the Jewish Temple.

Steve Weiss

One may speculate all that one wants, but we will never know if there was a person named Jesus that is a reasonable fascimile of the biblical Jesus. Maybe an hysterical Jesus, but certainly not an historical one.