Irishbrutha

Just happened to go through this.....are you serious? Wow. The delusion never ends does it. Missionaries peacefully share their faith because they believe, justifiably, that Christ's Truth changes lives and benefits non-believers. You may find that their own physical death is the worst possible evil, but they do not. You're right, they go into it knowing that they may be killed. But that is their decision...and it is the decision also of those who convert. There is no coercion on the part of missionaries. And the fact that muslim extremists want to kill them is morally evil. It is not a morally righteous law that these people defied when they entered Afghanistan. You think it is ok to kill people for their beliefs? What if we did this in America? What a duplicitous idea of freedom you entertain. Or a perverted and convoluted version of cultural relativism. If we outlawed atheism in America would you leave or defend your freedom to be an atheist? You basically propose that Afghanistan's laws should be obeyed simply because they exist. That's ridiculous. They defy human rights. Believers sharing their faith do not. There is no moral equivalency, and missionaries do not deserve death no matter how much you think the beliefs of the missionaries is wrong. Many will receive death and your petulant condemnation of them is beyond their concern. They expect it at times, but willingly go to these places out of obedience to a truly life-transforming God. They are not mindless robots. They fear death, have families who fear for their safety, and mourn the cost for the lives that will be lost for those who convert in closed countries. If their faith is correct, should they not continue though? Is not spiritual transformation and the salvation of a life more important than the physical ability of someone to remain alive physically?

You consider this extremism and that's fine. Yet you cannot demonstrate that such a belief is false, only that it is not subjectively demonstrative enough to change your opinion. What a bigoted position to actually tell someone that the subjective demonstration of Christ's truth that changed someone else's mind is not sufficient enough to warrant their own commitment to that truth. Mind you that that commitment does not entail anything as morally reprehensible as that which muslim terrorists do,...it consists in sharing words and telling other people about the things that Christ has done for them and ultimately what humanity was made for. They have the ability to reject that. The missionary is responsible for his/her life only, the life of the converted is in the hands of the person who converts. And since you cannot tell me with any definitiveness that the person who converts is not actually becoming who he/she was meant to be and will receive the reward of that conversion (heaven and eternal life), you cannot definitively condemn said conversion. If you want to debate that claim I'd be happy to. Universal negative. And since there is no good argument against even the probability of God's existence, and the Christian God's existence in particular, then you have a tough road ahead of you.

-Shaun

jdlongmire

Amen.

livius drusus

Irishbrutha, bumping up an ancient thread about a no longer current event to respond to a minor point Cheetah made in passing over 2 years ago is incredibly poor form. Start a new thread if you're interested in the matter.

seven8s

As to the Maslow, I guess that's why christianity understands evil so well....................in case someone hasn't written this as yet (haven't read all the posts). Blinders come in all kinds of colors and shades and seems to be no respecter of person, which by it's very nature imply beliefs. Just being friendly............. :rolling:

susan

xxthe_leewitxx

What he said. This thread is closed.

the Leewit