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Sheshbazzar · 06-27-2012, 06:36 AM

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If it cannot be shown that Jesus did an evil deed, or said an evil word, there is no reason to doubt his perfection

It cannot be shown that jebus ever did a good deed.
Or indeed ever did any deeds at all.
There is every reason to doubt that this story-book character ever existed anywhere at all, other than as a character within highly imaginative and fictional writings.

Not one writing about 'him' ever originated with anyone who claimed to have ever personally met or spoke to 'him' in any human form.

Your 'Jack and the Beanstalk' Jebus was never a living human being and thus was never tempted, and was never challenged by any real everyday human siuations. True, your imaginary Jebus never sinned, but only because he never even lived.

That Islam ever accepted and incorporated this crock of christian mythological crap is by itself, the best reason for rejecting the Islamic mythological crap.

Steve Weiss · 06-27-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stephan huller

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Iran’s Basij Press is claiming a purported Gospel of Barnabas, discovered in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion, causing the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

Turkey confiscated the text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation. Turkish authorities believe it could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas by the apostle known for his travels with the apostle Paul.

Basij Press contends the text was written in the 5th or 6th century and predicts the coming of Muhammad and the religion of Islam.

The Christian world, it says, denies the existence of such a gospel.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-disc...-christianity/

I have long been interested in the Gospel of Barnabas. I have always contended the original gospel contained a substitution narrative. Let's hope this is legitimate.

You mean that this book mentions Mohammed by name, his birthdate, birthplace and date of death, the names of his wife and family members, etc.?

mountainman · 06-27-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

That Islam ever accepted and incorporated this crock of christian mythological crap is by itself, the best reason for rejecting the Islamic mythological crap.

The early Q'uranic compilers, like Eusebius, knew how to embellish lterature and manufacture codices and they were only a few hundred years removed from Nicaea.

That's precisely why they incorporated a gnostic gospel account of mythological Jesus and not a canonical gospel account. There is reason to suppose that they knew that the canonical jesus was Fiction Story. Of course they also knew that the Gnostic Jesus was a Fiction Story as well, but the Gnostic Jesus at least had some Greek humour, romance, travel, impossible miracles, etc in his stories, unlike the Roman "gravitas" [SERIOUSNESS] that saturates the Canon Fiction.

We only have to read Photius to apperceive how the orthodox canon followers turned their noses up at the Gnostic JOKES.

Well, did Judas get switched with Jesus and crucified in his place?

Quranic compilers run with Gnostic JOKE:

Judas was crucified instead of Jesus.

:hysterical: :rolling:

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‘Judas came near to the people with whom Jesus was; and when he heard the noise, he entered into the house where the disciples slept. And God, seeing the fear and danger of his servant, ordered Gabriel and Michael and Rafael and Azrael to carry him out of the world. And they came in all haste, and bare him out of the window which looks towards the south. And they placed him in the third heaven, where he will remain, blessing God, in the company of angels, till near the end of the world.’ (chapter 216)

‘And Judas the traitor entered before the rest into the place from which Jesus had just been taken up. And the disciples were sleeping. And the wonderful God acted wonderfully, changing Judas into the same figure and speech with Jesus. We, believing that it was he, said to him, “Master, whom seekest thou?” And he said to them, smiling, “Ye have forgotten yourselves, since ye do not know Judas Iscariot.” At this time the soldiery entered; and seeing Judas so like in every respect to Jesus, laid hands upon him….’(Chapter 217)

‘...They carried him to Mount Calvary, where they executed criminals, and crucified him, stripping him naked for the greater ignominy. Then he did nothing but cry out: “O my God, why hast thou forsaken me that I should die unjustly, when the real malefactor hath escaped? (chapter 219)

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