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rhutchin · 10-30-2006, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

That is a good argument, and I cannot refute it. However, my main arguments against Christianity are in the thread that is titled '2 Peter 3:9'. You have been quite evasive in that thread, and I don't blame you.

You, of course, are free to provide an explanation for your position on 2 Peter 3. It is not difficult to evade that which is not said. I don't blame you for not supporting your position (I don't think there is any) and you don't blame me for not dealing with your lack of argument.

Johnny Skeptic · 10-30-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by =rhutchin

You, of course, are free to provide an explanation for your position on 2 Peter 3:9. It is not difficult to evade that which is not said. I don't blame you for not supporting your position (I don't think there is any) and you don't blame me for not dealing with your lack of argument.

I have clearly stated my position on a number of occasions, and you have continued to refuse to reply to my arguments. Anyone who visits that thread can see that that is true.

Malachi151 · 10-30-2006, 06:22 AM

I would say a few things on this:

#1) Its all nonsense anyway, they will all be worm food, so, whatever.

#2) There is good reason to believe that this was the view held by early Christians, which is why many people waited until they were on their deathbed to convert to Christianity, hence they didn't have the problem of doing bad works after having accepted Jesus as their savior.

rhutchin · 10-30-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

rhutchin
You, of course, are free to provide an explanation for your position on 2 Peter 3:9. It is not difficult to evade that which is not said. I don't blame you for not supporting your position (I don't think there is any) and you don't blame me for not dealing with your lack of argument.

Johnny Skeptic
I have clearly stated my position on a number of occasions, and you have continued to refuse to reply to my arguments. Anyone who visits that thread can see that that is true.

OK. I know that you have stated your position (your belief) numerous times. My point is that you have divorced the verse from its context in order to support your belief. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you cite the message where you provided your analysis of 2 Peter 3:9 in context. You can do that in the 2 Peter thread.

rhutchin · 10-30-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

#2) There is good reason to believe that this was the view held by early Christians, which is why many people waited until they were on their deathbed to convert to Christianity, hence they didn't have the problem of doing bad works after having accepted Jesus as their savior.

Such people would not claim to have done works as those described in the Matthew 7 verse cited. If a person "converted" to Christianity on his deathbed, he would be in for a surprise when he faced God. Presumably, you mean that the person recognized his sin and asked God for forgiveness as one of the thieves on the cross did (although not is some canned response).

Kyran · 10-30-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Thanks, Kyran. I would be even more pleased if you tell me that you believe that hell is not a very bad place, and that God might offer skeptics a parole in the next life.

You didn't kill Jesus, Johnny. What makes you think God wants to throw you in the Furnace?

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Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	I would say a few things on this: #1) Its all nonsense anyway, they will all be worm food, so, whatever. #2) There is good reason to believe that this was the view held by early Christians, which is why many people waited until they were on their deathbed to convert to Christianity, hence they didn't have the problem of doing bad works after having accepted Jesus as their savior.

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