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Angyson · 09-21-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xorbie

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Angyson:

I split your bit about the trials off of the German speakers thread. It was not on topic. Any discussion of the holocaust or WWII should generally take place in PD. I fail to see the relevence of that to this thread, so please don't discuss that here either.

xorbie
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It is not my intention to tackle that subject here but to provide a forwarding address where people who have made the choice between sarvation and the death chamber can go. Then they can read what drove Germans to it.

post tenebras lux · 09-22-2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

Another dreamer.

Not really Angyson,
if you really were doing this poll so that you could obtain some sort of conclusion to use in a debate about Germans in Germany during WWII, then the choice of seeking refuge in Switzerland is a totally valid one as it was an option at the time as they had no giant J stamped in their passports.

And yes, I do hope you manage to explain why during the early and middle parts of the war so few non-Jewish Germans did come to Switzerland to gain asylum as well as explain the sharp uptick in non-Jewish Germans coming here during the latter parts of the war (always fleeing Nazi persecution, or so they claimed) to seek refuge along with their assets.

Would you care to explain why you have to ask the permission of 'the Germans' before progressing?

And as an aside to your unpublished primary sources (well, "Eva Braun's diary" anyway): are you seriously claiming that Hitler justified the Final Solution to her by appealing to being cheated by a pawnbroker on a winter coat long long ago, or the fact that his granny had a Jewish lover (if the story is true the he was her lover, not her rapist)?

And if you don't like the word Holocaust (although I don't know why, as the word comes via the Latin and not directly from the Greek) then please use Shoah rather than riling everybody with misspellings like Halocost (sic).

Luxie

Barefoot Bree · 09-22-2004, 05:57 AM

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My apologies for not returning to this thread sooner - I'm not on 24/7, though it may feel like it sometimes.

Yes, Angyson, I am the newest MD moderator, as you can see by the title under my name at left.

As this thread has run it's course, I am kicking it to ~Elsewhere~. Anyone who wishes to continue discussing the Nuremberg Trials with Angyson may continue on the thread Xorbie split off, here in PD.

Anyone wishing to follow Mageth's daring escape to Switzerland or elsewhere, continue.

Barefoot Bree
MD Mod

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PS - it's SHE, folks.

Angyson · 09-22-2004, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xorbie

[mod hat]

Angyson:

I split your bit about the trials off of the German speakers thread. It was not on topic. Any discussion of the holocaust or WWII should generally take place in PD. I fail to see the relevence of that to this thread, so please don't discuss that here either.

xorbie
MD Mod

You got it. All I want to post is a reference to the new post dealing with the new subject.

Angyson · 09-22-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by post tenebras lux

Not really Angyson,
if you really were doing this poll so that you could obtain some sort of conclusion to use in a debate about Germans in Germany during WWII, then the choice of seeking refuge in Switzerland is a totally valid one as it was an option at the time as they had no giant J stamped in their passports.

I AGREE.

And yes, I do hope you manage to explain why during the early and middle parts of the war so few non-Jewish Germans did come to Switzerland to gain asylum as well as explain the sharp uptick in non-Jewish Germans coming here during the latter parts of the war (always fleeing Nazi persecution, or so they claimed) to seek refuge along with their assets.

I WILL, or hold me to my promise.

Would you care to explain why you have to ask the permission of 'the Germans' before progressing?

As a coutesy. I am not German, so what right do I have to meddle in their history without their consent? They may choose to let sleeping dogs lie.

And as an aside to your unpublished primary sources (well, "Eva Braun's diary" anyway): are you seriously claiming that Hitler justified the Final Solution to her by appealing to being cheated by a pawnbroker on a winter coat long long ago, or the fact that his granny had a Jewish lover (if the story is true the he was her lover, not her rapist)?

No, none of this appears in her diary. I got it from 150 books I borrowed from the library for research before tackling the play.

And if you don't like the word Holocaust (although I don't know why, as the word comes via the Latin and not directly from the Greek) then please use Shoah rather than riling everybody with misspellings like Halocost (sic).

The Romans claim to be descendants of Romulus, a Trojan who escaped being killed or enslaved as was the custom at the time. Trojans were Greeks who broke the sacred rule of Greek hospitality by allowing Paris to steal the wife of a Greek King while under this King's hospitality. See the Illiad by Homer. Consequently, the Romans did not even exist as a people when Achilles was offering sacred burnt offerings [ halocosts ] to the gods.
Luxie

The moderators have now asked me not to discuss anything pertaining to World War 11 on this thread but to refer all such enquiries to a new thread in God knows where, once I get some feedback from the German thread about how they feel about such an Appeal. My hands are tied for the moment. Please respect the moderators' instructions. Thank you.

ex-xian · 09-22-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

The moderators have now asked me not to discuss anything pertaining to World War 11 on this thread but to refer all such enquiries to a new thread in God knows where, once I get some feedback from the German thread about how they feel about such an Appeal. My hands are tied for the moment. Please respect the moderators' instructions. Thank you.

World War Eleven?

Angyson · 09-22-2004, 04:07 PM

The moderators have wisely set up a new thread under the heading :
The Nuremberg Trials.

Hit the button For Angyson's Threads to locate it as the classification system here is a puzzle to me.

I intend to appeal the guilt by birthplace and by association of the German people on that thread. All I ask for is no interruption when I am pleading their case and then I will open the forum to questions from the prosecution.
Show the same restraint in not interupting a presentation you would show in a Court of Law.

Then you can hit me with everything you got. Fair deal ?

Mageth · 09-22-2004, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Angyson

The moderators have wisely set up a new thread under the heading :
The Nuremberg Trials.

Hit the button For Angyson's Threads to locate it as the classification system here is a puzzle to me.

Barefoot Bree posted a link to the thread in her post above.

Angyson · 09-22-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mageth

Barefoot Bree posted a link to the thread in her post above.

Yes she did, and it is going to be a hotly debated topic if the critics can contain themselves while the defense is making it's case and not interrupt the presentation. You will have your opportunity to attack the theory of the defense once it is finished. I am no Halocaust denier, KKK member or skinhead. I just want to practice my legal skills in a public forum on an issue of such great magnitude. And to defend the German nation and its people who have been found guilty by association with madmen.

Diabolical Vengeance · 09-22-2004, 06:43 PM

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Angyson Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 983	The Nuremberg Trials The moderators have wisely set up a new thread under the heading : The Nuremberg Trials. Hit the button For Angyson's Threads to locate it as the classification system here is a puzzle to me. I intend to appeal the guilt by birthplace and by association of the German people on that thread. All I ask for is no interruption when I am pleading their case and then I will open the forum to questions from the prosecution. Show the same restraint in not interupting a presentation you would show in a Court of Law. Then you can hit me with everything you got. Fair deal ?

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Barefoot Bree Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: East of ginger trees Posts: 12,637	[Mod Hat] My apologies for not returning to this thread sooner - I'm not on 24/7, though it may feel like it sometimes. Yes, Angyson, I am the newest MD moderator, as you can see by the title under my name at left. As this thread has run it's course, I am kicking it to ~Elsewhere~. Anyone who wishes to continue discussing the Nuremberg Trials with Angyson may continue on the thread Xorbie split off, here in PD. Anyone wishing to follow Mageth's daring escape to Switzerland or elsewhere, continue. Barefoot Bree MD Mod [/Mod Hat] PS - it's SHE, folks.

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