Toto

Josephus was a Jewish traitor. Why are you trying to deify him?

IamJoseph

Good point. The answer is 'ZILCH' motive for saying Alexander visited Jerusalem: what difference to the Hebrew writings which European king did it? But there is clear motive for European Christianity, which is hell bent on negating and distorting Hebrew history, and thereby history itself.

I can put up numerous Greek and Roman archives hailing Jerusalem as one of the greatest cities in the world - housing a city-sized Temple which was the largest monument in the then world: I don't think Alex would go to Gaza [a factual occurence] - and not to Jerusalem, which is a 2 hour journey and where all the action was. Jerusalem was a renown, sacred city before Christianity and Islam emerged.

arnoldo

It could be pure imagination of Josephus's part or it is equally plausible he is basing it on earlier traditions/sources which claimed that Alexander the Great visited Jerusalem. The following non-academic source even states that Alexander visited Samaria not Jeruslam!

IamJoseph

What I'm doing is highlighting his accuracy as a scribe, and discussing a historical factor which does not have anything to do with glorifying his alleigence. Josephus happened to be in a situation of a Holocaust, and he believed that surrendering to Rome was the best option: all the other jews did not agree. The latter were correct: Mighty Rome lost the war of the right to freedom of belief.

Also, I am saying that when it comes to truth of history, the Hebrew bashes the pants off Europe's version of it - from every possible example.

IamJoseph

Prove anything in the Gospels with sources outside the Gospel?

FYI, Jews do not do what the Gospels says they traditionally do: they have no history of reveling against people crucified, they have no beedy eyes as per Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel's Passion, nor do they refuse water to one who asks for it. But those who make such false charges, with no proof whatsoever, do have a tradution of genocide, holocausts, robbery and distortion.

The Hebrew bible clearly shows the criteria for proof of such charges, and this is accepted by the world's institutions today: if you cannot prove a charge - the penalty is reversed on the accuser. This law is not fulfilled away. The charge has been reversed by imposing the penalty of shame - heaven's greatest admonition: another large religion, in the same area, and referring to the same charge made by Europe, says there was no Judas and no resurrection, and that Jesus lived to a ripe old age. Heaven also has her ways: here you have a situation of at least one of these two religions is telling a fib - or that both are doing so.

semiopen

This idealized view of Jewish people is a pleasant thought, but I'm not sure, as a practical matter, if I'd want to be part of such an innocent people.

Regarding Yoshki, the Talmud mentions his illegitimacy and this type of "loshon hara" may have contributed to the development of the virgin birth myth.

Virgin_Birth_(Christian_doctrine)

We do seem to get punished for our little sins, when will God stop beating his wife?

Anat

I had a lengthy reply to some posts on page 4 of this thread which was lost due to the server problems. I was going to make another attempt but since IamJoseph informed me on the Passover thread he was not going to read my links I see no point for me to continue this exchange.

Toto

Anat - if you can reconstruct your posts without much effort, please do. IamJoseph is not the only one here.

Anat

I think this will have to wait, I'm leaving tomorrow for a week, still have packing to do

spin

To show that you are not talking utter rubbish, please quote some scholars in the field who have published on the issue in peer-reviewed journals, ie not just some flunkies with Corn Flake degrees.

It actually has little use for you, except that it mentions bytdwd. There is no debate about its basic context. Just the fact that you abuse it because you have nothing else to display.

Oh, rubbish. While there is no problem with the reality of the 2nd temple, you have nothing to show for David that can be used by historians.

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spin