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S.C.Carlson · 03-31-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Daily

I'm working on a theory. Some words get ν added to them when they end a sentence or come before a vowel. Perhaps ending a line but not a sentence is an ambiguous case and so the scribe gives a half-nu. I am struggling with the greek in question to see what might be the case. I'm posting my theory fast so that I don't get scooped.

You might want to look up "movable nu" in a Greek grammar and see if what you're describing is different.

Stephen

Phlox Pyros · 03-31-2006, 03:05 PM

I was thinking the lines at the end might represent a moveable nu, but why represent them at all? Is this early textual criticism, ie. noting instances of moveable nu? I'm a little lost on this as well, but I haven't looked into it closely yet.

Julian · 04-01-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

You state there that "The κεφαλαια are the list of numbers preceeding each of the τιτλοι." I'm not sure that this is so. The titloi are the pieces of text at the top of each column. A kephalaion is an entry in that table at the start of Mark, numeral and text. The text of a kephalaion does not correspond to a titlos, necessarily.

Or have *I* misunderstood? Your explanation seems very plausible to me!

The text of the κεφαλαια, the τιτλοι, always correspond to what is at the top of the pages, as far as I can see. I have yet to see one that differs.

Here is what Waltz has to say, edited for relevance by me:

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Originally Posted by Waltz

It will be noted that the κεφαλαια constitute a series of numbers which restart with each book. Corresponding to the major κεφαλαια are the τιτλοι or Titles. These are simply short summaries of the actions which happen in each section. Tables of titloi are often found at the beginnings of the gospels, and the headings themselves may appear at the heads of pages or the margins of manuscripts. The titles usually take the form "περι (something)," e.g. "About the Wedding at Cana."

So, the κεφαλαια are the numbers and the τιτλοι are the descriptions which also appear at the tops of the pages later.

Also, earlier in this thread we were wondering what happened if there was more than one τιτλος per page, why they only listed one. Looking at some other pages, it seems that they do list all of them it was just that some of the pages were damaged and the τιτλοι lost in many cases.

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Nice page, by the way.

Thank you kindly.

Julian

Roger Pearse · 04-01-2006, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Julian

The text of the κεφαλαια, the τιτλοι, always correspond to what is at the top of the pages, as far as I can see. I have yet to see one that differs.

Here is what Waltz has to say, edited for relevance by me:

So, the κεφαλαια are the numbers and the τιτλοι are the descriptions which also appear at the tops of the pages later.

Many thanks indeed for this; I had got confused, it seems. So a kephalaion is a numeral? I wonder what the source of this use of the word is.

In Liddell and Short the idea is chapter, section, heading/topic.

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Also, earlier in this thread we were wondering what happened if there was more than one τιτλος per page, why they only listed one. Looking at some other pages, it seems that they do list all of them it was just that some of the pages were damaged and the τιτλοι lost in many cases.

I'm not sure that I understand. There is a titlos per column, is there not?

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Julian · 04-01-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

I'm not sure that I understand. There is a titlos per column, is there not?

Some columns will have no τιτλος if there is no κεφαλαιον that starts in that column and one or more if there are corresponding κεφαλαια starting there. I am not sure if the τιτλοι are per column or per page. Either way, there will be one τιτλος per κεφαλαιον on that page.

Julian

S.C.Carlson · 04-01-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

So a kephalaion is a numeral? I wonder what the source of this use of the word is.

From the Greek word for "head," similiar in idea to "chapter" from the Latin word for "head." Although the kephalaia are identified by numerals, they are not the numerals themselves; rather, they are primitive chapters. Some MSS use the term "pericopa" ("section") instead.

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

I'm not sure that I understand. There is a titlos per column, is there not?

No, some columns don't even have one. The titlos names the section/chapter/kephalaion.

Stephen

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Phlox Pyros Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 7th Heaven Posts: 406	I was thinking the lines at the end might represent a moveable nu, but why represent them at all? Is this early textual criticism, ie. noting instances of moveable nu? I'm a little lost on this as well, but I haven't looked into it closely yet.

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