Jeffrey Gibson

Sometimes??? Can you show me where he's ever been right?

I'd very much like to see what evidence you have that documents this claim and to hear what it is you think he's learned.

Jeffrey

Sheshbazzar

Nice Jeff, real nice, just overflowing with love and compassion.

Jeffrey Gibson

In other words, you cannot show that he's ever been right and you have no evidence that shows Pete has learned anything.

Thanks for clarifying.

Jeffrey

Sheshbazzar

http://www.blueletterbible.org/ (ADD this to your "favorites" list for instant access)

Then just type in the word that you are interested in.

this will tell you how many times it is found.
and give each verse with it highlighted

Click on the verse number to the left,
and it will take you to that portion of text. (context)

Six boxes will appear on the left,
click on the one marked "C" (concordance)
And it will display the text in the original language(s)
and break the verse down word by word.

To the left of each word will be its Strong's number,
click on that, and it will display every translation,
how it is pronounced.
and how many times it is used,
and list each verse the word appears in.

You will still have to examine the actual texts to see if a variant or inflected form of the root word is employed.

This ought to get you well on your way to really knowing what you are talking about.

Jeffrey Gibson

This will not help Pete obtain the data he is looking for since what he wants is to see where the words appear in ealy MSS of the NT (presumably Sinaticus, Vaticanus, and other MSS), not in a/the critical text of the NT that has been built up from them.

And if you think that Strongs is going to give Pete an actual sense of what Greek words mean, especially in non NT documents, then you are sadly mistaken. Strongs just lists the glossess that the tranlsators of the KJV have given a word. It takes no account of the instances outside of the NT in which a word found in the NT is used, nor does it even pretend to deal with the full semantic range of any of the words it lists.

And do you really think that Pete is going to understand inflected forms and what the inflectiones signify?

Jeffrey

Toto

That's what I thought Hellenic meant, and it appears that it can, based on the second definition here, but I see that the first and more common usage is "relating to classical Greek civilization."

Jeffrey Gibson

I thought we were speaking of what a Koine Greek word idenoted in the first century CE. Why are you appealing to an English dictionary in which modern senses of an English word are set out as your guide to what a Greek word meant in the first century?

Moreover, why are you speaking of an adjective when in Josephus the word in question is clearly a substantive?


Jeffrey

Toto

I thought the problem was the meaning of the English word Hellenic. Let's not get sidetracked.

Sheshbazzar

Everyone has to start somewhere. While The Blue Letter Bible and Strong's will not answer every question, or make one an expert in languages, they do serve quite well for the avoiding of such gross errors as Pete (and many others here) are apt to fall into.

As far as the small variations that exist within texts like Sinaticus, Vaticanus, and other ancient MSS, It is often presented to world at large how careful the Christian scholars have been to accurately convey the sense of these older MSS into the critical text of the NT that has been built up from them, and to make sure the resulting texts are trustworthy exemplars;
And are so set before the Church, and the world at large.

Now you imply that the contents, and the -words- employed in these texts even as prepared and presented by the consensus of the worlds foremost Christian scholars, are not to be depended upon as being correct or accurate by anyone examining them.

For Pete's sake! to a layman like Pete, and to 99.999% of Christian world, and others, it really isn't going to make one rats-ass of difference if Sinaticus does use the word ἔθνος or some variant, in two or three additional places. It is NOT going to significantly alter the meaning of the word, or of the understanding of the overall texts.

avi

Thank you very much for your excellent posts on this thread.
A really outstanding effort, much appreciated.
Avi