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Old 07-15-2008, 03:24 AM   #691
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Exactly, the account is self contradictory without even reading the other accounts that contradict it. It's not an interpretation, that's what the words say.
No, my friend, it is not. If I promise not to tell someone about a surprise party, it is implied that it is ok to tell them after the party. they did not tell someone 'for they were afraid'. the silence is obviously associated with the fear. It does not say they took it to their grave.

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This wasn't a surprise party, after which everyone gabs about it. It was one account of what happened after the supposed resurrection of their christ. The account suggests they didn't tell anyone. Other accounts suggest they ran immediately and began telling people. The accounts don't match.
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Because the accounts don't match and are so contradictory, how on earth are we supposed to know which account do we place any credence on?

Remembering that Mark is the first of the gospels to be written and the most primitive, who is silent on the whole charade of a resurrection and probably written around 66-70ce. Right in the middle of the Jewish revolt, therefore his supposedly predictions allegedly made by Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the old kingdom about to be replaced by a new one has to be seen in that light.
A little off topic, but nevertheless an important understanding of what he wrote.

The other gospel writers had Mark in front of them when they composed theirs adding their version of events.
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No, my friend, it is not. If I promise not to tell someone about a surprise party, it is implied that it is ok to tell them after the party. they did not tell someone 'for they were afraid'. the silence is obviously associated with the fear. It does not say they took it to their grave.

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This wasn't a surprise party, after which everyone gabs about it. It was one account of what happened after the supposed resurrection of their christ. The account suggests they didn't tell anyone. Other accounts suggest they ran immediately and began telling people. The accounts don't match.
which account says the word immediately?
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Because the accounts don't match and are so contradictory, how on earth are we supposed to know which account do we place any credence on?

Remembering that Mark is the first of the gospels to be written and the most primitive, who is silent on the whole charade of a resurrection and probably written around 66-70ce. Right in the middle of the Jewish revolt, therefore his supposedly predictions allegedly made by Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the old kingdom about to be replaced by a new one has to be seen in that light.
A little off topic, but nevertheless an important understanding of what he wrote.

The other gospel writers had Mark in front of them when they composed theirs adding their version of events.
A) Mark is not in anyway silent on the resurrection. Mark 16:6 He has been raised! He is not here.
B) Mark is obviously referring to jesus death and resurrection when quoting Jesus destroying the temple in 3 days and rebuilding it.

C) I agree it is off topic.
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This wasn't a surprise party, after which everyone gabs about it. It was one account of what happened after the supposed resurrection of their christ. The account suggests they didn't tell anyone. Other accounts suggest they ran immediately and began telling people. The accounts don't match.
which account says the word immediately?
None use the word immediately that I know of, but Matthew says they ran quickly to tell people but Mark says they ran quickly and told no one. Run quickly suggests immediacy. But Mark says Mary M didn't say anything until after Jesus appeared to her. So one would have to assume Jesus appeared to her while she was running. To me those two accounts contradict based on the wording and any logical interpretation of those words.
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None use the word immediately that I know of, but Matthew says they ran quickly to tell people but Mark says they ran quickly and told no one. Run quickly suggests immediacy. But Mark says Mary M didn't say anything until after Jesus appeared to her. So one would have to assume Jesus appeared to her while she was running. To me those two accounts contradict based on the wording and any logical interpretation of those words.
Matthew says they left the tomb quickly. This is what Mark said. Who said they ran quickly?
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Because the accounts don't match and are so contradictory, how on earth are we supposed to know which account do we place any credence on?

Remembering that Mark is the first of the gospels to be written and the most primitive, who is silent on the whole charade of a resurrection and probably written around 66-70ce. Right in the middle of the Jewish revolt, therefore his supposedly predictions allegedly made by Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the old kingdom about to be replaced by a new one has to be seen in that light.
A little off topic, but nevertheless an important understanding of what he wrote.

The other gospel writers had Mark in front of them when they composed theirs adding their version of events.
A) Mark is not in anyway silent on the resurrection. Mark 16:6 He has been raised! He is not here.
B) Mark is obviously referring to jesus death and resurrection when quoting Jesus destroying the temple in 3 days and rebuilding it.

C) I agree it is off topic.
Acording to the scriptures he has been raised is what he meant.

Therefore he was seeking an understanding in the O/T for the events he was composing about.
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A) Mark is not in anyway silent on the resurrection. Mark 16:6 He has been raised! He is not here.
B) Mark is obviously referring to jesus death and resurrection when quoting Jesus destroying the temple in 3 days and rebuilding it.

C) I agree it is off topic.
Acording to the scriptures he has been raised is what he meant.

Therefore he was seeking an understanding in the O/T for the events he was composing about.
yes, and this is entirely different from being silent on the resurrection as you initially claimed.
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None use the word immediately that I know of, but Matthew says they ran quickly to tell people but Mark says they ran quickly and told no one. Run quickly suggests immediacy. But Mark says Mary M didn't say anything until after Jesus appeared to her. So one would have to assume Jesus appeared to her while she was running. To me those two accounts contradict based on the wording and any logical interpretation of those words.
Matthew says they left the tomb quickly. This is what Mark said. Who said they ran quickly?
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7And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
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8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
I equate fled with run. Did they leave quickly and then run slowly?
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Acording to the scriptures he has been raised is what he meant.

Therefore he was seeking an understanding in the O/T for the events he was composing about.
yes, and this is entirely different from being silent on the resurrection as you initially claimed.
Marks gospel stops at the tomb. [if there was one]

One should note that the later stories of Easter were all developed from Mark's original story, in which no one sees the risen christ.

In Mark's gospel the women followers simply stare into a tomb that is empty.

The body could have been stolen by his followers, the women went to the wrong tomb. There could be many explanations of why the corpse was not there where they expected it to be.

All Mark says is that they will see Jesus when they return to Galilee, he makes no mention of who observed the risen christ.

What must not be forgotten is that the Romans usually buried the felons in a common burial site and there is no reason why Jesus would be buried differently.

That the followers of Jesus who expected this man to free them from the Roman yolk were disappointed and confused and could not accept that he was no more, and that their dreams of a kingdom of god was in tatters is when all the myths about his resurrection originated.
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