Kosh

Are you SERIOUS? <sigh> 4 degrees outside, I've got nothing better to do...

Just to start:

Luke

While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing;

Mathew

And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it.

Mark

Entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed.

NOTE: Luke, TWO men appear in the tomb, stone rolling not witnessed
Mathew, ONE man, comes down, stone rolling is witnessed.
Mark, stone rolled away, ONE man already in the tomb

There's more, but if we're going to educate about your own Bible, I suggest you start a new thread, as this one is now off topic. Or perhaps the moderator could split if off?

BTW, if you really believe there are not contridictions, just take Dan Barkers Easter Challenge and make yourself some $$! Then you could send it to the missions!

FatherMithras

Laughable Bullshit. Your simply labeling an entire group of people with an agenda with no evidence to support it. If you are going to make an incredible assertion (The Bible is the word of God) you have to have incredible evidence to back it up. The old testament in and of itself is glaringly inaccurate, since it states that there was a hebrew exodus from Egypt and that the Hebrews invaded Canaan http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/otarch2.html .

Luke also makes an incorrect declaration of a census in Judea as well. We have THIS http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php...e_resurrection too. Along with the numerous contradictions between the four gospels and the total lack of corrobarating historical fact, we can determine they are in fact, flawed. There is indeed some historical fact in there and no one will tell you otherwise. But their stories about a messiah arriving and coming back to life are unsupported (for example, crucified men didn't get to be buried in tombs, their corpses were eaten by dogs) and contrary to science and history. You saying the whole point of biblical criticism is to tear apart the Bible is unfounded and you have no clue about what you're talking about, so instead you make attacks on the people who have falsified the inerrancy idea.

You don't assume miraculous stories are true and the ask for them to be disproved, it isn't logical. You have to PROVE that miraculous stories are true. Until then, believing them is not reasonable. If I told you a flying spaghetti monster created us, would you believe it? No, because the burden of proof is on you.

The BIBLE has FAILED the burden of proof.

Amaleq13

It appears to be an example of a prior conclusion based on the available evidence changing as a result of new evidence.

Speculative generalizations really have no place in a rational discussion. Please try to stick to the evidence and the arguments.

ISVfan

"In this genealogy, we have a descending record starting from Abraham and descending down through David and Joseph to Jesus. In the third chapter of Luke, Jesus' genealogy is also recorded, but that genealogy is the reverse: It ascends, starting with Jesus and going back through Mary all the way to Adam. Whereas Matthew's genealogy is coming down through Joseph, Luke's traces Jesus back through Mary. One begins with Jesus, the other ends with Jesus." You guys are good at coming up with apparent contradictions but you really should do your research first. No Joseph was Christ stepfather.

ISVfan

What evidence did they have? You talk of sticking to the evidence yet you defend people who had no evidence John was written that late. I try to stick to facts but both sides have to admit much of what we believe or do not believe is based on faith. :angel:

ISVfan

Ok then explain why there are Egyptian chariots and soldiers in the middle of the Red Sea? Maybe they fell off a boat

Is there a chance that Christ was buried. Why do you argue for usuals. As you should know there is always exception. Read John and you realize that John and Mary, Mary were both at the Crucifixtion. Do you really think a mother would allow her Son to be eaten by dogs? Remeber all the miracles Jesus did you really think that everyone hated Christ.


Lets see how many times have nations and people tried to destroy the Bible? Hundreds of times Empires, Nations, and People have burned Scripture killed Christians their blood has run deep but never since the 70 A.D. has the church ever ceased to exist.The Bible has stood for centuries.

FatherMithras

Show that there are. I've never heard of that assertion. And di you even read the link?

You have to show evidence it happened. Other mothers let their sons get eaten because they weren't GIVEN THE OPTION. And once again, he didn't do any miracles. You have to prove they happened and weren't stories made up when the bible was written roughtl HALF A CENTURY after the fact (and probably more!).

So christians were persecuted? How's that relevant? The hebrews were persecuted much much worse. Regardless, the christians persecuted more people anyhow, and for way way longer, and had a tyranny during the middle ages with mass murder, rape, and the inquisition. "the Bible" is not the entirety of the writings of your myhtology. It's the chosen few that the council of nicea decided would be included and THEY burned the rest. YET, those gnostic texts resurface. Does that mean they are true? how about the fact the epic of Gilgamesh is WAY older then any part of the Bible? Or the fact the Hindu Rig Vedas are older? I suppose that proves the Hindus are the true religion!

Your arguments are innacurate and terribly made. please go educate yourself before spouting off incorrect information on a topic you have no idea about.

King of Men

I do not really feel it necessary to explain 'evidence' that does not, in fact, exist, excpt in the inflamed imaginations of Christian apologetics.

Just what is Mary going to be doing against Roman legionnaires bent on enforcing Roman law? Get raped in a particularly virginal fashion?

Not to mention all those times that poeple tried to wipe out the Koran; so that must mean Islam is likewise true. And 'hundreds of times'? Surely you jest. You could reasonably point to persecution in the dying part of the Roman Empire, and under Soviet Russia. Apart from that, Christians did the oppressing if there was oppressing to be done.

Julian

I believe that ISVfan is referring to Ron Wyatt's claims. We all know about those...

Kosh

Not exactly. Reverse the order of the names in Luke, and they still don't line up! And it makes no point to trace a Jewish lineage claim through a step-father. My step father taught me a lot, but that doesn't make heir to the Nordic throne...

And you didn't address the tomb contradiction. How many "angels" where in the tomb? Or were they outside of it?

Start another thread.