Gregg

Right. In a time in world history where every other country was ruled by a king of some kind, with absolute power over the lives of his/her subjects, a bunch of rich white guys rejected the idea of seizing such power for themselves and instead instituted elections, representative government, separation of church and state, respect for individual rights, respect for diversity, limited government powers and checks and balances, and so on. Some criminals. They weren't perfect, but I'd sure take them over any modern-day Muslim or Arab ruler, including some of the more "enlightened" ones like Sadat, King Hussein of Jordan and Musharraf.McVeigh was not motivated by religion. McVeigh did not attack Muslims or Arabs. McVeigh was caught, tried, and put to death.??? Have any members of the Christian Coalition strapped bombs on themselves and blown up a coffee shop in Egypt lately?What is your point? The first two apparently were Greek Orthodox Christians who supported the Palestinians, and had nothing to do with the U.S. I can't really tell from the info I found online if they had anything to do with actual terrorism, i.e. teaching kids to blow themselves up on buses. Hanan Ashwari is also a Christian and a skilled spin doctor and apologist for the Palestinian cause, but again, she isn't a U.S. citizen and I don't have any idea if she's directly involved in terrorism either.A mainly Catholic problem involving pedophile priests (who probably became priests specifically to have access to young boys) and altar boys. It's a bad situation and the Catholic church isn't doing nearly enough to stop it. But I don't understand how it hurts Muslims, or how it in any way justifies terrorism.Overgeneralizing, aren't we? Wow, get that! A country with an army! Who ever heard of such a thing?!?Ridiculous. There are plenty of much more effective, and acceptable, forms of resistance that don't involve suicide bombings of civilians. Suicide bombing is an offensive, not defensive, tactic.Yes, Hitler SHOULD make Christians engage in introspection. You will find many posts in this forum stating just that. But it was also mostly Christians who stopped Hitler. Arab/Muslim governments generally supported him. And the idea that Christians 50 years later who had nothing to do with Hitler don't have any right to speak out against Arab/Muslim terrorism is ridiculous. I don't claim that Arabs/Muslims don't have any right to criticize U.S. policies.Which predominately Christian or Jewish countries still apply OT judgments and punishments today???? Muhammad came quite a bit later, you know. Or would you have more respect for Jesus if he'd been a caravan raider like Muhammad?I doubt the problem of pedophilia is confined only to Christians.

sphinx wui

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again, go get an education, a real one please.


if you know any thing about reason, you wouldn't write this miraculous masterpiece.
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for sure they will see it, you think Virgin Mary MD will perform a miracle making them blind or something.

Plognark

I guess s/he's not familiar with some old Turkish social practices?

Let's place a bet: I say 6 more posts till this thread ships off to ~E :thumbs:

sphinx wui

If you can find his father, please notify me and until you do so, he was son of a whore.

And he was an idiot too, thirty years old guy without a girlfriend or a wife, as a carpenter he was a failure, wondering between villages speaking non sense and finally got caught as a cheap thief by bunch of morons who kicked the day light out of the motherfucker and hanged him as a cockroach on a piece of wood.

Corwin

Don't be so sure....the Saints have backed down in recent years...

Corwin

There's actually no evidence that either the Madonna or the Magdaline were prostitutes.

Of course there's no actual evidence that either one of them actually existed in the first place either...... but that's another thread.

JohNeo

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And by the way, you don't need to be so passionate about defaming Jesus. It's more likely that none of his story is true or that he never existed. Hating Jesus is about as fruitful as hating god or allah. You might as well hate the Pink Unicorn.

JohNeo

Suggy

I'm confused. Doesn't Islam recognise Jesus as one of the three 'top prophets' of all time and assert that he led a blameless life?

In addition, does not Mohammed himself say that 'if Allah wished them all to believe, they would believe' or words to that effect?

Americana

How frightening! Well I suppose that you would prefer to follow Muhammed- a rapist, phedofile and murderer.

dmarker

Backing down is also relative. We may be talking about "small" Mormon families with a "mere" six children apiece.