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Old 07-19-2008, 06:13 AM   #711
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looking up the words does not help with figures of speech. I am responding in english because the words added to the text (quickly and immediately) were added in English.
Well, I don't see fleeing people hanging around for very long before they get to the fleeing part, and I also wonder how someone would flee slowly? I would guess they flee at a speed that is normal for people fleeing, namely running as fast as they can.
both Matthew and Mark say they flee from the tomb. this is a different phrase altogether from Matthews ran to tell the disciples. No one is arguing the fleeing from the tomb - not even Matt and Mark.
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Well, I don't see fleeing people hanging around for very long before they get to the fleeing part, and I also wonder how someone would flee slowly? I would guess they flee at a speed that is normal for people fleeing, namely running as fast as they can.
both Matthew and Mark say they flee from the tomb. this is a different phrase altogether from Matthews ran to tell the disciples. No one is arguing the fleeing from the tomb - not even Matt and Mark.
Oh, so this is about Mark saying they told nobody while Matthew says they told the disciples, then? I thought that had been discussed to death.
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Those who lack discrimination may quote the letter of the Scripture, but they are really denying it's inner truth.

______The Bhagavada-Gita_____
maybe you can help me then. What is the inner truth in the book of Mark?
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both Matthew and Mark say they flee from the tomb. this is a different phrase altogether from Matthews ran to tell the disciples. No one is arguing the fleeing from the tomb - not even Matt and Mark.
Oh, so this is about Mark saying they told nobody while Matthew says they told the disciples, then? I thought that had been discussed to death.
I agree, it has but it was brought up again by net2004. Otherwise, it appears we are out of proposed contradictions to discuss.
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Otherwise, it appears we are out of proposed contradictions to discuss.
I think that's because dlb's latest version is several pages back and people can't be bothered to look it up. I know I'm not going to try and find more contradictions until he has a version with quotes from what the various persons said at each time.

Anyway, wasn't there a problem in Matt 28:1, where it was claimed that the ladies didn't see the rolling away of the stone because that happened while they were on the way? Take a look at the word used: ēlthen

Strong's Number 2064 (ἔρχομαι: accompany, appear, bring, come, enter, fall out, go, grow)

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maybe you can help me then. What is the inner truth in the book of Mark?
The inner truth is that it's an invention, myth, a fable, not history,

But a rehash of the ancient story of Horus who's similarities are that close to the JC story you'd think they were one and the same story.

''All that went into the making of the Christian historical set-up was long pre-existent as something quite other than history, was in fact expressly non-historical, in the Egyptian lithology and eschatology.
For when the Easter equinox entered the sign of the fishes about 255 bc, the Jesus who stands as the founder of Christianity was at least 10.000 years of age and had been travelling hither as the Ever Coming One through all preceding time.....
During those 10.000 years, that same incarnation of the divine ideal in the character of Isa [Horus], the coming Son, had saturated the mind of Egypt with it's exalting influence.
Little did men of that epoch dream that their ideal figure of man's divinity would in time be rendered historical as a man of flesh.''

Alvin Boyd Kuhn.

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Thousands of souls in the Pagan world were on fire with the pure flame of devine passion of Christly love centuries before Jesus ever lived.
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I equate fled with run. Did they leave quickly and then run slowly?

why would you equate fled from the sepulchre with run to the disciples?

It does not say ran quickly (as you have once stated)

It does not say ran immediately (as you have once stated)

if I say I drove to work, can you tell if I stopped for breakfast?

If I say I drove quickly to work then you can expect I did not. (although, I may have stopped quickly for a coffee).

they fled from the tomb (probably freaked out), then out of fear decided not to tell anyone while (because) they were afraid. Matthew did not see this detail as important. He also did not see the detail of actually talking to the disciples as important. he actually only wrote a coupel of paragraphs on it and obviously was selective just not as selective as Mark but much more selective than John but there is nothing contradictory about it.

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8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Matt. says they departed quickly and did run to bring disciples word. That suggests an immediacy. Mark says they went out quickly and fled and didn't say anything to any man. Again suggesting immediacy without bringing the disciples word. Such inconsistency would mean one or the other had the story wrong.
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why would you equate fled from the sepulchre with run to the disciples?

It does not say ran quickly (as you have once stated)

It does not say ran immediately (as you have once stated)

if I say I drove to work, can you tell if I stopped for breakfast?

If I say I drove quickly to work then you can expect I did not. (although, I may have stopped quickly for a coffee).

they fled from the tomb (probably freaked out), then out of fear decided not to tell anyone while (because) they were afraid. Matthew did not see this detail as important. He also did not see the detail of actually talking to the disciples as important. he actually only wrote a coupel of paragraphs on it and obviously was selective just not as selective as Mark but much more selective than John but there is nothing contradictory about it.

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8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Matt. says they departed quickly and did run to bring disciples word. That suggests an immediacy. Mark says they went out quickly and fled and didn't say anything to any man. Again suggesting immediacy without bringing the disciples word. Such inconsistency would mean one or the other had the story wrong.
You are the one suggesting immediacy, not matthew or Mark. I am not sure how you are reading immediacy into mark meaning they immediately did not tell anyone. It doesn't even make any sense.
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maybe you can help me then. What is the inner truth in the book of Mark?
The inner truth is that it's an invention, myth, a fable, not history,

But a rehash of the ancient story of Horus who's similarities are that close to the JC story you'd think they were one and the same story.

''All that went into the making of the Christian historical set-up was long pre-existent as something quite other than history, was in fact expressly non-historical, in the Egyptian lithology and eschatology.
For when the Easter equinox entered the sign of the fishes about 255 bc, the Jesus who stands as the founder of Christianity was at least 10.000 years of age and had been travelling hither as the Ever Coming One through all preceding time.....
During those 10.000 years, that same incarnation of the divine ideal in the character of Isa [Horus], the coming Son, had saturated the mind of Egypt with it's exalting influence.
Little did men of that epoch dream that their ideal figure of man's divinity would in time be rendered historical as a man of flesh.''

Alvin Boyd Kuhn.

And futher;

Thousands of souls in the Pagan world were on fire with the pure flame of devine passion of Christly love centuries before Jesus ever lived.
I think you will find that the actual parallels between Christ and Horus are underwhelming. Even if not so, it is irrelevant. I agree that at the time of the incarnation, the son of God was infinitely older than you can imagine and his existence is innately known to all men thru nature and conscience.

More to the point, I was however hoping that the inner truth you were going to teach me would lend itself to evidence of someone that actually read the book of Mark. Mark does not mention Horus as far as I can tell.

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None of the gospelers mention Isis, Horus ,Bachus, Ra and any number of ancient Egyptian or Greek mythical gods.
But that doesn't mean these myths weren't around for thousands of years before christianity came about.
Could not christianity be an evolution of these myths?
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