Sabine Grant

I see you are not familiar with JPH's boasting in Tektonics. Nor are you in fact familiar with the debates which took place over the course of several years on T Web between JS and various so called "apologists". Well, I am. It was in fact very entertaining for the T Web long term member I used to be to observe directly such debates. While I was absolutely amazed by JS' acute debating skills.

Further, as I was still a Christian at the time, Johnny Skeptic's clever and well documented counter arguments in all those fascinating debates contributed to my distancing myself from Christianity. To finally reach the point of Skepticism I am now embracing.

Ironically, JPH and his cohorts have facilitated my deconversion. Especially as I decided to take on some of them and I could see first hand the type of justifications they would concoct to legitimize the horrifying "d'rathers" and whims of the God of the Bible.

The very 'Word of God" you expect to be your tool to "win souls" in fact liberated this person here from years of mental and emotional enslaving and dependency on some alleged deity's "will".

A far greater reason to reject such pathetic portrays of your deity than the reality that there is no evidence, no proof that he even exists:

- his psycho manipulative personality so very well illustrated in the Bible. His lack of empathy and compassion. Two qualities many of your fellow human beings will demonstrate without obedience to a threatening deity. Without a need to score "brownie points" with him. Just their genuine ability to relate to one another, their common sharing of human emotions, their solidarity in the midst of grief and pain.

This is your time to take the opportunity to introspect and reach out to the decent human being you are who has been buried under religious indoctrination and coercion. Time to wake him up and reclaim him.

ziffel

Great post, Sabine.

P.S. what part of Florida are you from?

Zeluvia

A minor point of order

Is not Apologetics in any sense of the word, nor is it discussion. It's preaching. It is exactly that attitude of "convicting" people as wicked and threatening them with hell that makes preaching not allowed on this board.

As others have said, your first task here is to convince us that the bible is the inspired, inerrant word of god. I reject that claim. And therein is your difficulty. There can be no discussion without some common ground, and the bible is NOT common ground as far as it's 'truth' value.

You might be more comfortable warming up on Theologyweb's Apologetic section, where you will have pack support from other theists and JPHolding fans. You can test out your apologetics there, and get help from pro's.

This is deeper water.

Sabine Grant

Tampa Bay! But we can discuss that on Pm so we do not sidetrack from this thread topic.OK?

Sabine Grant

Oh..not a "minor point of order" Zeluvia! What you brought up is extremely important. And of course, like me, you are familiar with the "boot camp" atmosphere of Forums managed by theists and designed to enhance and promote "Apologetic".

What Billy will discover is that his own apologetic arguments will face correction and rebuttal from his own peers. JPH does not welcome competition , rather only fans of his own works.:devil:

Underseer

Bill, can I mention something about the culture around here? I got into a lot of trouble for doing exactly what you just did when I first showed up.

It is not considered acceptable to simply post a link and expect everyone else to start up the conversation. You'll need more than just a link and one or two short sentences. I know that doing so is fine on other boards (hell, at other boards it's acceptable to start a thread with a link and nothing else), but around here people expect you to provide more direction for the ensuing conversation.

Johnny Skeptic

No thank you. That is a preaching web site, not an apologetics web site. Skeptics at these forums are interesting in evidence, not preaching.

Since thousands of churches all over the U.S. have preachers, if skeptics want to be preached to, all that they have to do is go to a local church, or watch preachers on television.

As some skeptics have told you, studying the Bible is what caused them to give up Christianity.

Clivedurdle

Can I do some preaching from the Bible pretty please!

Today's lesson is Deuteronomy 25

Deus Ex

That will teach her to grab your junk!

Zenaphobe

Your entire effort here could have been simplified if you just posted this link and asked us to read it

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions...o&vid=9&lang=2

Just FYI, I studied the Bible non stop for the better part of 8 years and it did nothing to stop me from leaving Christianity.

The Bible is Christianities worst enemy. Its history is its second. Its fundamentalists its third. Not always in that order.