brighid

I think that illustrates my point. I know many people that other philisophical lines of thought "make sense", even if I stare at them like a deer in headlights, when they discuss such ideas.

I don't think one's inability to understand a concept makes any person bad, right or wrong necessarily, just unable to understand that concept.

Brighid

hope's daughter

Winstonjen,

You have to admit you do not speak for all atheists only yourself and I have seen atheists write hateful statements to me a Christian. I am not God but to hate your fellow man well need I say more. When someone professes not to believe in God and THEN question why God is unjust that pretty much holds the person in suspect. I must say that some atheists are more honest than others and will ask deep and profound questions without regard to their eternal soul. I find that rather brave and daring. I saw the movie Luther. You should go see it.

HelenM

I don't see a problem with someone who doesn't believe in God asking whether God as described to them as other people is unjust. What the atheist is saying is "the description of God told to me by Christians seems contradictory". A person doesn't have to believe in God to make that observation.

Was it good? I may go see it too.

Helen

hope's daughter

Helen,

Me thinks they protesteth too much. Yes I think many an atheist must reaffirm their denial as many a good Christian must reaffirm their faith.


Yes I went with my husband Helen. He moved back in. Why not? It is his home as well as mine. I am so used to him helen. How can I get rid of a good thing? He said to me we are going towards something and said that God meant us to be together. helen sometimes Christians can act like Atheists as if God does not matter. See things are not tied up as neatly as people might want them to be.

livius drusus

No personal asides in this thread, please. Take it to PM or the Elsewhere thread.

hope's daughter

okay forget the husband thing:

Me thinks they protesteth too much. Yes I think many an atheist must reaffirm their denial as many a good Christian must reaffirm their faith.

Yes this says it all

Biff the unclean

AJ113 I'm surprised no one else has highlighted this. (Except that it's blatently off-topic). For some reason I had Magus marked down as a 50-year-old dude who was set in his ways.
Make that a college kid; I do stand corrected. I held exactly the same idea you did. Even vaguely remember references to children and a career. Obviously in my dotage I've blended two creationists together

Gurdur The point is, nothing excuses the constant flow of venomous ad hominems; they are no adequate substitute for rational argumentation, and only detract from it.
You do seem to love the term "ad hominems" it's a shame you don't know what it means. As an Atheist I am under no obligation to gloss over the hatred, misanthrope and prejudice that form the core of this particular version of Christianity and I have no intention of calling spades anything other than spades.

hope's daughter You have to admit you do not speak for all atheists only yourself and I have seen atheists write hateful statements to me a Christian.
I see, on a regular bases Christians behaving in aggressively antisocial ways who become insulted when this is pointed out to them because the are about God's business. Not unlike the neighbor who blasts their stereo at 4AM and is insulted when asked to turn it down.
When someone professes not to believe in God and THEN question why God is unjust that pretty much holds the person in suspect.
This seems such a simple concept yet it escapes so many Theists. What the Atheists are doing is pointing out to you that the attributes you are assigning to God contradict themselves. Themselves and in this case the professed moral values of the believers. Thus showing that the God in question cannot exist.
We do the same thing with the Invisible Pink Unicorn. You cannot be invisible and have a color at the same time. You cannot be a loving and just God and maintain Hell at the same time.

I must say that some atheists are more honest than others and will ask deep and profound questions without regard to their eternal soul. I find that rather brave and daring
Back in the Bronze Age and well into the Iron it was thought that the conscious mind was the "eternal soul." It was also thought that your breath was your "spirit." Alas there is nothing eternal about either of these bodily functions and the bravery amounts to little more than not being afraid of the dark.

Heathen Dawn

When I say Dawkins’ philosophy makes sense, I don’t mean it just makes sense to me, I mean it makes sense to everybody—objectively. If it doesn’t make sense to theists, it is because they’re just suppressing.

Gurdur

ROFLMAO !
Do you have any evidence, Biff the unclean, that I do not know what an ad hominem is ?

Because if you don't have any evidence, then you're just making a silly little insult, aren't you ?


I couldn't care less what justifications you come up with for ranting, that doesn't excuse hatred, misanthropy and prejudice from the atheist side either.


Rational argument instead of ranting, Biff the unclean.
Always so much better.

Heathen Dawn

Not always.