Adam

[Resuming from Post #17. Anything fromLuke is q1, and from John is the Discourses I regard as written by Nicodemus]
Luke 11:
39 Then the Lord said to him, ‘Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. 40 You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? 41 So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you.
42 ‘But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God; it is these you ought to have practised, without neglecting the others. 43 Woe to you Pharisees! For you love to have the seat of honour in the synagogues and to be greeted with respect in the market-places. 44Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without realizing it.’

45 One of the lawyers answered him, ‘Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us too.’ 46And he said, ‘Woe also to you lawyers! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not lift a finger to ease them. 47Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your ancestors killed. 48So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. 49Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, “I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute”, 50so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, 51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation. 52Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.’

Luke 12:
8 ‘And I tell you, everyone who acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; 9 but whoever denies me before others will be denied before the angels of God. 10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. 11 When they bring you before the synagogues, the rulers, and the authorities, do not worry about how* you are to defend yourselves or what you are to say; 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that very hour what you ought to say.’
22 He said to his disciples, ‘Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat, or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. 24 Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! 25 And can any of you by worrying add a single hour to your span of life.

33 Sell your possessions, and give alms. Make purses for yourselves that do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
49 ‘I came to bring fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism with which to be baptized, and what stress I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division! 52 From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three; 53 they will be divided:
father against son and son against father,
mother against daughter and daughter against mother,
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.’

54 He also said to the crowds, ‘When you see a cloud rising in the west, you immediately say, “It is going to rain”; and so it happens. 55 And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, “There will be scorching heat”; and it happens. 56 You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to interpret the present time?
57 ‘And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right? 58 Thus, when you go with your accuser before a magistrate, on the way make an effort to settle the case,* or you may be dragged before the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer throw you in prison. 59 I tell you, you will never get out until you have paid the very last penny.’

John 8:31
G 31 Then Jesus was saying to the Jews having believed him, “If you remain in my word you are truly my disciples, 323and you will know the truth , and the truth will make you free.” 33 They answered him, “We are seed of Abraham, and we have never been enslaved to anyone. How do you say that “”You will become free”? E 34 Answered them Jesus, ” Truly, truly, I say to you that everyone doing sin is a slave of sin. 35 But the slave does not remain in the house forever. 36 Then if the Son makes you free, you will really be free. G 37 I know that you are seed of Abraham, but E you seek to kill me because G my word has no place in you. E 38 What I have seen with the Father, I speak; then also what you have heard from the Father, do”….

E 40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who has spoken the truth to you, which I have heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the works of your father.” They said to him, “We have not been born from fornication; we have one father, God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your father, you would love me, for G I came forth from God, and I have come. For I have not come from myself, E but that one sent me. G 43 Why do you not know my speech? It is because you are not able to hear my word. 44 You are from (your) father the Devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, because the truth is not in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own (nature), because he is a liar and the father [of lies]. 46 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Does any of you convict me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe? 47 The one being from God hears the words of God. G On account of this you do not listen, that you are not from God. E 48 Answered the Jews and said to him, “Do we not rightly say that you are a Samaritan and you have a demon?” 49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. 50 And I do not seek my glory. There is one seeking and judging.

G 51 Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone will keep my word, he will not see death forever. E 52 The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died and the prophets, and you say, “If anyone will keep my word, he will not taste death forever.” 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died and the prophets (who) died? What do you yourself do?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I will glorify myself, my glory is nothing. My Father is the one glorifying me, whom you say that he is your God; 55and you do not know him, but I know him. And if I said that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I know him and I keep his word. G 56 Abraham your father rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw and was glad.” E 57 Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 Then they picked up stones in order that they might throw them at him. But Jesus was hidden and went out from the temple.

Adam

[Resuming from Post #21. Anything from Mark is qT (Twelve-Source), from Luke is q1, and from John is the Discourses I regard as written by Nicodemus]Luke 13:
18 He said therefore, ‘What is the kingdom of God like? And to what should I compare it? 19 It is like a mustard seed that someone took and sowed in the garden; it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air made nests in its branches.’
20 And again he said, ‘To what should I compare the kingdom of God? 21 It is like yeast that a woman took and mixed in with* three measures of flour until all of it was leavened.’

24 ‘Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the owner of the house has got up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, “Lord, open to us”, then in reply he will say to you, “I do not know where you come from.” 26 Then you will begin to say, “We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.” 27 But he will say, “I do not know where you come from; go away from me, all you evildoers!”

John 10
G 1 Truly, truly, I say to you, the one not entering through the door into the fold of the sheep, E but climbing over at some other place, that one G is a thief and a robber. 2 But the one entering through the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and he leads them out. 4 Whenever he takes out all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But a stranger they do not follow, but will flee from him because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus spoke to them this figure, but those did not know what the things were which he was speaking to them. 7 Then Jesus said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the shepherd of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters through me, he will be saved, and he will go in and go out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except in order to steal and to slaughter and to destroy. I came in order that they may have life and have it more abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life in behalf of the sheep.

12 The hired man, being not even a shepherd, whose sheep are not his own, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees…13 because he is a hired man and it is not a concern to him about the sheep. G I am the good shepherd, and I know mine, and mine know me, 15 even as the Father knows me and I know the Father, and I lay down my life in behalf of the sheep.
E 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold. And it is necessary (for) me to lead those, and they will hear my voice and there will be one flock, one shepherd. 17 On account of this the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, in order that I may take it up again.
G 18 No one took it from me, but I lay it down from myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. E This commandment I received from my Father.” 19 There was a schism again among the Jews on account of these words. 20 And many of them were saying, “He has a demon and is mad. Why listen to him?” 21 Others were saying, “These are not the words of a demon-possessed (person). Is a demon able to open the eyes of the blind?”

Mark 6:
30 The apostles gathered around Jesus, and told him all that they had done and taught. 31 He said to them, ‘Come away to a deserted place all by yourselves and rest a while.’ For many were coming and going, and they had no leisure even to eat. 32 And they went away in the boat to a deserted place by themselves. 33 Now many saw them going and recognized them, and they hurried there on foot from all the towns and arrived ahead of them. 34 As he went ashore, he saw a great crowd; and he had compassion for them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and he began to teach them many things. 35 When it grew late, his disciples came to him and said, ‘This is a deserted place, and the hour is now very late; 36 send them away so that they may go into the surrounding country and villages and buy something for themselves to eat.’ 37 But he answered them, ‘You give them something to eat.’ They said to him, ‘Are we to go and buy two hundred denarii* worth of bread, and give it to them to eat?’ 38 And he said to them, ‘How many loaves have you? Go and see.’ When they had found out, they said, ‘Five, and two fish.’ 39 Then he ordered them to get all the people to sit down in groups on the green grass. 40 So they sat down in groups of hundreds and of fifties. 41 Taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven, and blessed and broke the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before the people; and he divided the two fish among them all. 42 And all ate and were filled; 43 and they took up twelve baskets full of broken pieces and of the fish. 44 Those who had eaten the loaves numbered five thousand men. [This Feeding is not from Q nor Nicodemus, but is in all four gospels so must be early, and is necessary preliminary to the Discourse Source in John 6.]

John 6:
S 14 Then the men seeing the sign which he did, were saying that “This one is truly the Prophet , the one coming into the world. E 15 Then Jesus knew that they were about to come and to seize him in order that they may make (him) king, he himself withdrew again into the mountain alone.

Mark 6:
45 Immediately he made his disciples get into the boat and go on ahead to the other side, to Bethsaida, while he dismissed the crowd. 46 After saying farewell to them, he went up on the mountain to pray. 47 When evening came, the boat was out on the lake, and he was alone on the land. 48 When he saw that they were straining at the oars against an adverse wind, he came towards them early in the morning, walking on the lake. He intended to pass them by. 49 But when they saw him walking on the lake, they thought it was a ghost and cried out; 50 for they all saw him and were terrified. But immediately he spoke to them and said, ‘Take heart, it is I; do not be afraid.’ 51 Then he got into the boat with them and the wind ceased. And they were utterly astounded, 52 for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened. [Again, provenance unsure, but has to be early.]

John 6:
E 24 Then when the crowd saw that Jesus is not there, nor his disciples, S they came into Capernaum seeking Jesus. 25 And finding him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?”
G 26 Answered them Jesus and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, E you seek me not because you saw signs, but because you ate from the loaves and were filled.” G Do not work for the meat the one perishing, but for the one remaining for life eternal, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father sealed this. 28 Then they said to him, “What should we do in order that we may work the works of God?” E 29 Answered Jesus and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe on whom that one sent.” G They said to him, “What sign do you do, in order that we may see and believe you? What do you work? E 31 Our fathers ate manna in the wilderness, even as it is having been written, “Bread from Heaven he gave to them to eat.” G 32 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, E Moses has not given to you the bread from Heaven, but G my Father gives to you the true bread from Heaven. E 33 For the bread of God is the one coming down from Heaven and giving life to the world.”

G 34 They said to him, “Lord, give to us always this bread.” 35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. The one coming to me will not hunger, and the one believing on me will never thirst. E 36 But I said to you that you have even seen me and you do not believe. G 37 Everything which the Father gives to me will come to me, E and the one coming to me I will not cast outside, G 38 because I have come down from heaven not in order that I may do my will but the will of the one having sent me, 39 that everything which he has given to me I will not lose (any) of it, but I will raise it on the last day.

E 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone seeing the Son and believing on him may have life eternal, and I will raise him on the last day.” 41 Then the Jews murmured about him because he said, “I am the bread the one having come down from heaven.” 42 And they were saying, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say that ‘I have come down from heaven’”? 43 Answered Jesus and said to them, “Do not murmur with one another. 44 No one is able to come to me unless the Father, the one having sent me, should draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. 45 It is having been written in the Prophets, “and all will be taught by God,” Everyone having heard and learned from the Father comes to me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the one being from God, this one has seen the Father.

47 Truly, truly, I say to you, the one believing has life eternal. 48 I am the bread of life, 49 Your fathers ate manna in the wilderness and died. 50 This is the bread, the one coming down from heaven, that anyone may eat of it and may not die. G 51 I am the living bread, the one coming down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. G? And also the bread which I will give is my flesh (given) in behalf of the life of the world.” 52 Then the Jews were disputing with one another saying, “How is this one able to give to us flesh to eat?” 53 Then Jesus said to them, “
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life in yourselves….
G 58 This is the bread, the one having come down from heaven, not even as the fathers ate and died….

S 60 Then many of his disciples, having heard, said, “This saying is hard. Who is able to hear it?” G 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were murmuring about this, said to them, “Are you offended at this? 62 Then (what) if you should see the Son of Man ascending where he was formerly? E 63 The Spirit is the thing making alive; the flesh profits nothing. The worlds which I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”…

E 65 And he was saying, “On account of this I have said to you that no one is able to come to me unless it has been given to him by the Father.” S From this many of his disciples went back behind him and no longer walked with him. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you not also want to go?” 68 Answered him Simon Peter, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of life eternal; 69 and we have believed and we have known that you are the Holy One of God.”

Adam

[Resuming from Post #22. Anything from Mark is qT (Twelve-Source), from Luke is q1, and from John is the Discourses I regard as written by Nicodemus. R is the final Redactor in John]
John 10:
R 23 …Jesus was walking in the temple….E Then the Jews surrounded him and were saying to him, “Until when do you take away our life? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” G Jesus answered, E “I told you, and you do not believe. The works which I do in the name of my Father, these testify about me. 26 But G you do not believe because you are not from my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, 28 and I give them life eternal, and they will not perish forever, and no one will snatch them from my hand. 29 The Father who has given (them) to me is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch (them) from the hand of the Father. 30 I and the Father are one.”

E 31 The Jews picked up stones again in order that they might stone him. G Answered them Jesus, “Many good works I have shown to you from the Father. E For which work of them do you stone me?” 33 Answered him the Jews, “We stone you not about a good work, but about blasphemy, and because, being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Answered them Jesus, “Is it not written in your law that ‘I said, You are gods?’ 35 If he [God] said gods those to whom the word of God came,…36 do you say whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world that ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me, believe the works, in order that you may know and understand that the Father (is) in me and I (am) in the Father.” 39 They were seeking to seize him, and he went out from their hand.

Luke 13:
28 there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrown out. 29 Then people will come from east and west, from north and south, and will eat in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.’
34 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 See, your house is left to you. And I tell you, you will not see me until the time comes when* you say, “Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord.” ’

Mark 9:
14 When they came to the disciples, they saw a great crowd around them, and some scribes arguing with them. 15 When the whole crowd saw him, they were immediately overcome with awe, and they ran forward to greet him. 16 He asked them, ‘What are you arguing about with them?’ 17 Someone from the crowd answered him, ‘Teacher, I brought you my son; he has a spirit that makes him unable to speak; 18 and whenever it seizes him, it dashes him down; and he foams and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid; and I asked your disciples to cast it out, but they could not do so.’ 19 He answered them, ‘You faithless generation, how much longer must I be among you? How much longer must I put up with you? Bring him to me.’ 20 And they brought the boy* to him. When the spirit saw him, immediately it threw the boy* into convulsions, and he fell on the ground and rolled about, foaming at the mouth. 21 Jesus* asked the father, ‘How long has this been happening to him?’ And he said, ‘From childhood. 22 It has often cast him into the fire and into the water, to destroy him; but if you are able to do anything, have pity on us and help us.’ 23 Jesus said to him, ‘If you are able!—All things can be done for the one who believes.’ 2 4 Immediately the father of the child cried out,* ‘I believe; help my unbelief!’ 25 When Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, ‘You spirit that keep this boy from speaking and hearing, I command you, come out of him, and never enter him again!’ 26 After crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, ‘He is dead.’ 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he was able to stand. 28 When he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, ‘Why could we not cast it out?’ 29 He said to them, ‘This kind can come out only through prayer.’*

33 Then they came to Capernaum; and when he was in the house he asked them, ‘What were you arguing about on the way?’ 34 But they were silent, for on the way they had argued with one another about who was the greatest. 35 He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, ‘Whoever wants to be first must be last of all and servant of all.’ 36 Then he took a little child and put it among them; and taking it in his arms, he said to them, 37 ‘Whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes not me but the one who sent me.’

Luke 14:
16 Then Jesus* said to him, ‘Someone gave a great dinner and invited many. 17 At the time for the dinner he sent his slave to say to those who had been invited, “Come; for everything is ready now.” 18 But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said to him, “I have bought a piece of land, and I must go out and see it; please accept my apologies.” 19 Another said, “I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I am going to try them out; please accept my apologies.” 20 Another said, “I have just been married, and therefore I cannot come.” 21 So the slave returned and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and said to his slave, “Go out at once into the streets and lanes of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame.” 22 And the slave said, “Sir, what you ordered has been done, and there is still room.” 23 Then the master said to the slave, “Go out into the roads and lanes, and compel people to come in, so that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you,* none of those who were invited will taste my dinner.” ’
… 26 ‘Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple. 27 Whoever does not carry the cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

Luke 15:
4 ‘Which one of you, having a hundred sheep and losing one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness and go after the one that is lost until he finds it? 5 When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders and rejoices. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbours, saying to them, “Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.” 7 Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance.
8 ‘Or what woman having ten silver coins,* if she loses one of them, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? 9 When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbours, saying, “Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin that I had lost.” 10 Just so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.’

Luke 16:
16 ‘The law and the prophets were in effect until John came; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is proclaimed, and everyone tries to enter it by force.* 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one stroke of a letter in the law to be dropped.
18 ‘Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.
Luke 17:
3 Be on your guard! If another disciple* sins, you must rebuke the offender, and if there is repentance, you must forgive. 4 And if the same person sins against you seven times a day, and turns back to you seven times and says, “I repent”, you must forgive.’
5 The apostles said to the Lord, ‘Increase our faith!’ 6 The Lord replied, ‘If you had faith the size of a* mustard seed, you could say to this mulberry tree, “Be uprooted and planted in the sea”, and it would obey you….

23 They will say to you, “Look there!” or “Look here!” Do not go, do not set off in pursuit. 24 For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day.* 25 But first he must endure much suffering and be rejected by this generation. … 28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot: they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, 29 but on the day that Lot left Sodom, it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed all of them 30—it will be like that on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day, anyone on the housetop who has belongings in the house must not come down to take them away; and likewise anyone in the field must not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Those who try to make their life secure will lose it, but those who lose their life will keep it. 34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 There will be two women grinding meal together; one will be taken and the other left.’* 37 Then they asked him, ‘Where, Lord?’ He said to them, ‘Where the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.’

John 11:
E 8 …”now the Jews are seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?” 9 Jesus answered , G “Are there not twelve hours in a day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” ….
41…And Jesus lifted up (his) eyes and said, “Father, I give thanks to you because you heard me. 42 But I knew that you always hear me, but I said (this) on account of the crowd, the one standing by, in order that they may believe that you sent me.”

Mark 10:
41 When the ten heard this, they began to be angry with James and John. 42 So Jesus called them and said to them, ‘You know that among the Gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you; but whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.’
46 They came to Jericho. As he and his disciples and a large crowd were leaving Jericho, Bartimaeus son of Timaeus, a blind beggar, was sitting by the roadside. 47 When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout out and say, ‘Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!’ 48 Many sternly ordered him to be quiet, but he cried out even more loudly, ‘Son of David, have mercy on me!’ 49 Jesus stood still and said, ‘Call him here.’ And they called the blind man, saying to him, ‘Take heart; get up, he is calling you.’ 50 So throwing off his cloak, he sprang up and came to Jesus. 51 Then Jesus said to him, ‘What do you want me to do for you?’ The blind man said to him, ‘My teacher,* let me see again.’ 52 Jesus said to him, ‘Go; your faith has made you well.’ Immediately he regained his sight and followed him on the way.

Sheshbazzar

There are NO known 'three Aramaic sources'. And there are NO known "Early Aramaic Gospels".
The linguistic evidence clearly indicates that the Gospels were composed in the GREEK language for a GREEK speaking audience.

Does this latest foray into the posting of huge blocks regurgitated and rearranged religious horse shit have any point?

Adam

Apparently you forgot to read the bolded part of my OP. Here it is again. Notice that YOU invited me to do this.
Any citations that prove that q1 and the source for the Johannine Discourses were written in Greek?
[[In the context of FRDB’s controversy about Bart Ehrman’s claim of early Aramaic records about Jesus, my initial presentation here of the start two of the three of them naturally supports the HJ position. This also relates to my Gospel According to the Atheists as this includes three of the four sources I suggest, basically meeting Sheshbazzar’s demand long ago. The three Aramaic sources I call Early Aramaic Gospels do not include the fourth written Aramaic source which was later, the L source in Luke that was also by an eyewitness, but after a lapse of time that left many of the parables unclear. For links regarding this see
The Nature of Scholarship post #39

(For the bigger question of whether John is properly used for Historical Jesus analysis use the other thread, Splicing Q and John.)]]

Sheshbazzar

Again. There are NO known 'three Aramaic sources'. And there are NO known "Early Aramaic Gospels".
Nor any "Gospel Which is According to The Atheists".
And THERE NEVER HAS BEEN.

I invited you to compose and to present your own 'version' of The Gospel that it might be examined, so that we might know with certainty what it contained, and what parts you were 'adjusting' and editing out.
I most certainly DID NOT ever invite you to make up these horse shit claims about any imaginary and never-existent "Early 'Aramaic' Gospels".

Your first 'verse' above; "…John son of Zechariah in the wilderness." is incomplete, dangling, and a piss-poor compositional beginning for a 'Gospel'.





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Adam

[Resuming from Post #23. Anything from Mark is qT (Twelve-Source), from Luke is q1, and from John is the Discourses I regard as written by Nicodemus.]
Luke 19:
11 As they were listening to this, he went on to tell a parable, because he was near Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 So he said, ‘A nobleman went to a distant country to get royal power for himself and then return. 13 He summoned ten of his slaves, and gave them ten pounds,* and said to them, “Do business with these until I come back.” 14 But the citizens of his country hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, “We do not want this man to rule over us.” 15 When he returned, having received royal power, he ordered these slaves, to whom he had given the money, to be summoned so that he might find out what they had gained by trading. 16 The first came forward and said, “Lord, your pound has made ten more pounds.” 17 He said to him, “Well done, good slave! Because you have been trustworthy in a very small thing, take charge of ten cities.” 18 Then the second came, saying, “Lord, your pound has made five pounds.” 19 He said to him, “And you, rule over five cities.” 20 Then the other came, saying, “Lord, here is your pound. I wrapped it up in a piece of cloth, 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a harsh man; you take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.” 22 He said to him, “I will judge you by your own words, you wicked slave! You knew, did you, that I was a harsh man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money into the bank? Then when I returned, I could have collected it with interest.” 24 He said to the bystanders, “Take the pound from him and give it to the one who has ten pounds.” 25 (And they said to him, “Lord, he has ten pounds!”) 26 “I tell you, to all those who have, more will be given; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence.” ’

Mark 11:
1 When they were approaching Jerusalem, at Bethphage and Bethany, near the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples 2 and said to them, ‘Go into the village ahead of you, and immediately as you enter it, you will find tied there a colt that has never been ridden; untie it and bring it. 3 If anyone says to you, “Why are you doing this?” just say this, “The Lord needs it and will send it back here immediately.” ’ 4 They went away and found a colt tied near a door, outside in the street. As they were untying it, 5 some of the bystanders said to them, ‘What are you doing, untying the colt?’ 6 They told them what Jesus had said; and they allowed them to take it. 7 Then they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks on it; and he sat on it. 8 Many people spread their cloaks on the road, and others spread leafy branches that they had cut in the fields. 9 Then those who went ahead and those who followed were shouting,
‘Hosanna! Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the Lord!
10 Blessed is the coming kingdom of our ancestor David! Hosanna in the highest heaven!’

11 Then he entered Jerusalem and went into the temple; and when he had looked around at everything, as it was already late, he went out to Bethany with the twelve.
15 Then they came to Jerusalem. And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold doves; 16 and he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. 17 He was teaching and saying, ‘Is it not written,
“My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations”?
But you have made it a den of robbers.’
18 And when the chief priests and the scribes heard it, they kept looking for a way to kill him; for they were afraid of him, because the whole crowd was spellbound by his teaching. 19 And when evening came, Jesus and his disciples* went out of the city.

Mark 12:
1 Then he began to speak to them in parables. ‘A man planted a vineyard, put a fence around it, dug a pit for the wine press, and built a watch-tower; then he leased it to tenants and went to another country. 2 When the season came, he sent a slave to the tenants to collect from them his share of the produce of the vineyard. 3 But they seized him, and beat him, and sent him away empty-handed. 4 And again he sent another slave to them; this one they beat over the head and insulted. 5 Then he sent another, and that one they killed. And so it was with many others; some they beat, and others they killed. 6 He had still one other, a beloved son. Finally he sent him to them, saying, “They will respect my son.” 7 But those tenants said to one another, “This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.” 8 So they seized him, killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. 9 What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the tenants and give the vineyard to others. 10 Have you not read this scripture:
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;*
11 this was the Lord’s doing, and it is amazing in our eyes”?’
12 When they realized that he had told this parable against them, they wanted to arrest him, but they feared the crowd. So they left him and went away.

13 Then they sent to him some Pharisees and some Herodians to trap him in what he said. 14 And they came and said to him, ‘Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not? 15 Should we pay them, or should we not?’ But knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, ‘Why are you putting me to the test? Bring me a denarius and let me see it.’ 16 And they brought one. Then he said to them, ‘Whose head is this, and whose title?’ They answered, ‘The emperor’s.’ 17 Jesus said to them, ‘Give to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.’ And they were utterly amazed at him….

24 Jesus said to them, ‘Is not this the reason you are wrong, that you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God? 25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26 And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the story about the bush, how God said to him, “I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”? 27 He is God not of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong.’
28 One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, ‘Which commandment is the first of all?’ 29 Jesus answered, ‘The first is, “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30 you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.” 31 The second is this, “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’ 32Then the scribe said to him, ‘You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that “he is one, and besides him there is no other”; 33 and “to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength”, and “to love one’s neighbour as oneself”,—this is much more important than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices.’ 34 When Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’ After that no one dared to ask him any question.

John 12:
G 23 And Jesus answers them saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified. 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, if a kernel of wheat, falling into the earth, does not die, it itself remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 The one loving his life loses it, and the one hating his life in this world preserves it for life eternal. 26 If anyone would serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there also my servant will be. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.
E 27 Now my soul is disturbed, and what should I say—Father, save me from this hour? But on account of this I came into this hour 28 Father, glorify your name. “ Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified and I will glorify (it) again.” 29 The crowd, the one standing and having heard, was saying, “It was thunder.” Others were saying, “An angel has spoken to him.” 30 Answered Jesus and said, “This voice came not for the sake of me, but for the sake of you. 51 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. G 32 And if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all things to myself.”

E 33 And he was saying this signifying by what death he was about to die. 34 Then answered him the crowd, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever, and how do you say that it is necessary (that) the Son of Man be lifted up?” Who is this Son of Man? G 35 Then Jesus said to them, E “Still a little time the light is among you, G walk while you have the light, in order that darkness may not seize you. E And the one walking in the darkness knows not where he is going. G 36 While you have the Light, believe in the Light, in order that you may become Sons of Light.” E Jesus spoke these things, and going away was hidden from them. 37 But (though) he had done so many signs before them, they did not believe on him….because Isaiah said, 40 he has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, in order that they may not see with their eyes and understand with (their) hearts, and change, and I would heal them.” 41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he has spoken about him…

G 44The one believing on me, believes not on me but on the one having sent me, 45 and the one seeing me sees the one having sent me. E 46 I have come as Light into the world, in order that the one believing on me may not remain in Darkness. 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come in order that I may judge the world, but in order that I may save the world. 48 The one rejecting me and not receiving my words has him who judges (him)….
49 Because I have not spoken from myself, but the Father having sent me has himself given commandment to me what I said and what I will speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life eternal. Therefore what things I speak, even as the Father told me, thus I speak.”

Vorkosigan

Adam, this is an elaborate form of trolling. Putting up page after page of Bible passages without rhyme or reason is spamming. Please stop.

Adam

I allowed you some time to retract the word "trolling", otherwise you would be labelling the Jefferson Bible as trolling. Thomas Jefferson did not even source the verses he selected, much less footnote why any particular verse should be included.
I suppose I could insert footnotes every few verses to explain why paragraphs were selected or excluded. I have already identified (by which gospel it is from) which source I think it is from, but I could explain for each one why I think it is from that source.

Whatever the merit of your objection, it would seem you need to recuse yourself. My source analysis runs afoul of your unitary conception of the primacy of Mark. My work undercuts both your beloved primacy of Mark and the unitary literary genius of his fiction. It's easier to prevent me from speaking than to refute me after I do. You have failed so far, so it's unlikely you'll succeed in the future at refuting me.

Jaecp

As luck would have it,

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l-Eyewitnesses