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Old 03-11-2006, 04:38 AM   #21
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1. Noah's Ark - Should be self-explanatory
No, not at all self-explanatory. How would you determine if it indeed was an Ark holding all "kinds" at existence at this time? How would you determine if it indeed floated on a world-wide flood?

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8. Record of Jesus of Nazareth's cruxification during governership of Pontius Pilate - Should be self explanatory
Again: what would be self-explanatory about this? Yoshua was (and still is) a common name among Jews. And even if you could identify him somehow, you still would not know if he was indeed a miracle worker (or people only believed him to be one, see many examples today) and if he indeed was resurrected. What's the use of knowing that a trickster was put to death at the right time?

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9. Pre 70AD copy of Matt/Mark/Luke/Acts or Pauline letter/s - This would acknowledge the traditional church view that they were composed before the fall of Jerusalem and thus have some predictive verses.
10. Record of NT books predating Muratorian Canon, say 130AD. - Would acknowledge traditional church view that those books were widespread and apostolic at an early date.
What or who exactly is this "traditional church" supposed to be?
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:05 AM   #22
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1. A sales receipt proving that anybody spent money on an Apple II of any model variant in 1992.

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... Despite a lack of advertising and little corporate support, Apple continued to sell the IIGS through the end of 1992. Apple brought an era to a close when the IIe was removed from the product line on October 15, 1993.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II#The_Final_Years
Noah's Ark and the plagues of Egypt I might be able to swallow, but buying an Apple IIGS in 1992 is just fucking sick.

As if anyone would fucking do that.
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:42 AM   #23
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From a theist's perspective I have often wondered what would be the top 10 most desirable archaeological finds and their justification?
Let's be careful. It almost looks like a "to do" list for a forger.

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Nothing much to do with atheism, but two virtually incompatible finds would pique my interest no end:

1. A rough draft of Matthew, dated late century I, wedged between a copy of Mark and a copy of Q (interview with Mark Goodacre at 8 Eastern).
2. A rough draft of Luke, dated late century I, wedged between a copy of Mark and a copy of Matthew (interview with John Kloppenborg at 8 Eastern).



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No, not at all self-explanatory. How would you determine if it indeed was an Ark holding all "kinds" at existence at this time? How would you determine if it indeed floated on a world-wide flood?
If a vessel the size of the Ark was found with dimensions given in the biblical account and since that no other ancient records appear to mention these dimensions that would be strong evidence that that part of the biblical account is accurate.
If it contained stalls or holding pens they could be measured, counted etc: Something to work with.
Regarding the wide-wide flood comment: a vessel that big would not be necessary for a local flood or a non-existent flood. Not conclusive but certain indicative. The wood could be analysed for possible content of the water it floated on.
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If a vessel the size of the Ark was found with dimensions given in the biblical account and since that no other ancient records appear to mention these dimensions that would be strong evidence that that part of the biblical account is accurate.
You do know that no one has a clear idea what the units of the dimension of the ark really mean? So all you can hope for is to find something with the right ratios of the dimensions.

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If it contained stalls or holding pens they could be measured, counted etc: Something to work with.
Sorry, as long as creationists are not able to present a coherent list of "kinds" supposedly to have been on the ark, I still see no use in this.

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Regarding the wide-wide flood comment: a vessel that big would not be necessary for a local flood or a non-existent flood. Not conclusive but certain indicative.
No. See above about the units. We have no clear idea how big the ark supposedly was. And not indicative, but hand-waving.

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The wood could be analysed for possible content of the water it floated on.
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Do you really think a world-wide flood would have different kinds of water at different places?
Apart from this, according to the bible, it started and ended at about the same place. No indication at all that it ever traveled far from this place at any time.

I see that you ignored my other points.
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