IamJoseph

[QUOTE=kcdad;5868791]HEBREW = he who went away.

Abram fleed Ur with a death senetence hovering on him. Kinda like Galeleo. He broke all the idols in a warehouse, and when asked why - he said they idols began argueing with each other then they smashed each other up.

The owner rejected this, claiming idols dont talk or move.

THEN WHY DO YOU WORSHIP THEM?

Thus was Monotheism introduced unto humanity.

IamJoseph

Abram, then Abraham, is identified in the Hebrew bible, given with datings, places, family names, his wonderings and interactions with more than a 100 other kings and nations, the routes [highways] he travelled upon, and the first real estate torrens title land purchase in recorded history - namely a plot in Hebron. Abraham's ife and history, including a nation called Israel was of his seed - is derived excusively from the Hebrew bible.

kcdad

ACTUALLY, it means: "one from the other side," you must be thinking of the word "HEFLEW"


Again, sorry to correct your fuzzy logic (patent pending) but monotheism or polytheism have nothing to do with idol worship. Monotheism would be God saying there is no other God than I, not: you shall have no other Gods before me. Idolatry is something ANYONE may participate in, irregardless of the number of deities...

Monotheism, for the Jews, begins with the later prophets, after the Babylonian exile... as The Jews are learning to live with other cultures in a pluralistic society. (Otherwise, "their" God must be stronger than YHWH because YHWH keeps getting his ass whooped and we keep getting sent off to slavery and exile.)

Doug Shaver

You mean according to the canonical gospels? No, not in so many words.

It was implied in the sense that some things he said can be construed as a claim to be God or the son of God. And for most of Christian history, they have been so construed by most Christians.

kcdad

But as has been pointed out numerous times... "son of God" does not equal God, and is a term used to describe everyone from Angels, to David, to Caesar.

In fact, unless you are a polytheist, you can not use "son of God" to mean divinity.

In the general use of therm as we see it in the Bible, we are all Sons of God IF we love mercy, seek justice and walk humbly with our God.

razlyubleno

Obviously, Jesus is not God in Mark's gospel. That is adoptionist Christology, and God cannot adopt himself. You can cross 1 of 4 off the list.

razly

Doug Shaver

Well, I know that, and you know that, but most Christians apparently beg to differ.

And when I talk about what some passage in the Bible can be construed to say, I'm not necessarily saying that I think it is a reasonable construal.

The Bible is clearly inconsistent on many such matters, and as anyone who has studied a little bit of logic knows, anything at all can be inferred from contradictory premises. That could explain a thing or two about the diversity of what Christians believe about their purported founder.

storytime

So.. the story is from the Hebrew bible. That's how you conclude Abram being a Hebrew?

storytime

How can "we all" be sons of God if not observing His required protocol of circumcision and law keeping - all 613 of them?

razlyubleno

Circumcision is for the house of Jacob, and one needn't belong to that house in order to be a child of God.

As for the 613 laws, we get away with not keeping them the same way the preexilic Jews did. Strict observance of scripture comes from the 2nd temple period.

razly