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Some good points here. The first about Judas is one of my favorites. I've always thought Judas got screwed over. It almost seems that a traitor was needed, and Judas was the unlucky one chosen. However, I doubt the historicity of the story (as with many other things in the NT). I think people like the idea of traitors (they make a good story) and so a story grew up about Judas. The fact that Matthew and the Acts disagree about the manner of his death (something you would think it would be easy to agree on) is one thing that casts doubt on the tale.

Reason

Actually, the "unforgivable sin" (blapheming the holy ghost) in context is explicitly defined as calling said holy spook a "devil" or "unclean spirit."

No Robots

Total bullshit. Christ is defending himself against the charge of necromancy (Mt. 12:24-32), saying that good can only come from the Good, ie. from Spirit.

Reason

You need to read your bible more carefully there, Junior:

Mark 3:

22. And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
23. And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
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28. Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29. But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

No Robots

Christ is being accused of practicing necromancy through the agency of a demon. He counters this accusation by saying that his good works must be the product of the Good, of Spirit. He then attacks his accusers by saying that, in casting aspersions on his works of the Spirit, it is they who are blaspheming against the Spirit.

Reason

Ah, yeah, okay. So, put another way, would you agree that blaphemy of the holy spook is attributing its works/actions/mainfestations to a devil or unclean spirit?

No Robots

Yeah, and I see now what you mean. So, you are correct. I was thrown by your idiosyncractic formulation. Sorry about that.

Reason

The we have an accord. ><

perfectidius

Yes, Reason, from the context it is clear that Jesus was saying that their claim that Jesus has an unclean spirit was unforgivable. I understand that. But I have known of Christians who were worried about this, so it wasn't clear to them.

Anyway, Jesus logis here is quite bad. He says that Satan can't drive out Satan because then his house will be divided. That is stupid. If Satan wanted to trick a bunch of people, why would he not have his demons be "sternly" cast out (wink wink) to make the alleged prophet look like he had God's powers?

Put it this way, could it be conceivable for a doctor to cure bogus diseases, or even to infect people on purpose on order to cure them and look a hero? In fact there are mothers, some of the borderline, who even poison their own children so that the mothers can play the part of nurse.

Therefore, Jesus is being naive here, or stupid.

Anyway, I came up with a good blaspheme of the spirit for you. It is from a set of myths I wrote (mind you this is going to sound VERY confusing):

The Holy Spirit is the collective language of man, called god of this world, the words from wind, pnuema, Brahma spirit, god of the air, angel of light, Mercury, also being Luciana called Lucifer, or in other words, Lux itself, created on the first day, when God created himself by saying let there be me. Lucifer, the morning star, also Venus, the Goddess of love, born from the blood of castrated power in the sea of chaos, whose bird is the Dove. Light is that which moves and communicates. The children of Luciana are maid Satan, called Shiva, the verb, and Word, the noun, called Vishnu, or Thoth, or writing, or memory. Before human language, however, the universe in her darkness and complexity had everlived. Muse is Holy Spirit in the throes of desire. Ur and Aum are both light, the sun of creativity, and so represent urge and fire. Language, which is aural, is light in that it radiates forth. Radiation is the skin of MTTR: all matter radiates, and language is a radiating. This is expressed in Aum, the sun and also the sound that created the universe. Language is an energy in force which communicates its force through force carriers, or radiation. All of matter is infused with language. Isis is Iris (the eye) is Ares (the sun, a-Ra-s) is Horus is Eros (the love that sees) is hero is warrior is bellos is bel is beauty: all summed in the DeSire. Husband of the Holy Spirit is called Zeus by the Greeks: that which impregnates each people’s Paraclete with world with religions, the schizophrenic spirit which in Babel fragmented into the different factions of man. As the Semites had it, Yahweh busted up the Spirit into a thousdan flaming tongues, called Legion of Babble. The Spirit, also language, is the creator of men, being written as DNA, and also as logosphere and mythosphere. Psyche, or butterfly, or breath spirit, is the spirit of man cum Goddess; thus the holy spirit grew beyond its mortality. El, or power, or elohim, are men when they speak the paraclete, when they create by language. In this, the spirit always existed, but became paraclete, or invoked, when it first spoke. Spirit is the dimension of matter that experiences, and the holy spirit is the language, or symbol, that the experience takes. But the thoughts of mother are much deeper and older then the holy spirit, which is the word of man. Isis-Ra-El is the man who struggles with his God parents, or man struggling with his inner divinity, or more straightlty, the birth of the sun from the earth and the sky, the old mythos.
El is Saturn, or sky, who is born from the earth and later husband to her; his day is Saturday, and being castrated, his people are castrated. Mary is the sea. And from them is born the Son and the Daughter. But the first children of the MTTR were asexual, like her, who produces life from the chaos of her body, but her later children were sexed.
Devil is hidden language, or deceit, or parable, and Satan, which is the aggressive verb, the brother murderer, and also the part of language that changes the world, is that which calls out devils, and is the ruler over them. Satan is called Father of Lies, Father of Jews, and the First Murderer by the Jew Jesus, which, when understood in this sense is the conversion of love or heart (Abel) into logos or knowledge (Cain). Satan is not the serpant in the garden, who spoke nothing but truth; Satan is the spirit of the one who tells parables, being a poet, and thus a liar, and also a parodoxist: speaking so as to close ears, and shining so as to close eyes, the prankster and also false messiah, or suicidal messiah, or sacrificer of humans for the glory of God (“he who follows me must commit suicide on his own cross”). But maid Satan is love to the point of passion, the greatest lover. In this sense, Satan lover unrequited gave birth to Satan liar, the one who wraps pain in a labarynth; thus love becomes art, and woman becomes man. Devils inhabit the minds of men, and live in them. Demon is the turned phrase, and the demonic poetry is called sacrifice, the basis of all religions, or the starting point. Demon, or daemon, means the knower. The basic verb is shine or radiate, as language is sun is radiation. Thus Devils are Devas are Divines are Divinity, lest we forget that the devils are all gods misunderstood and bastardized. Just as Lucifer is light bearer, Hell is Hela or El, Sol, the shining beauty, and Satan is Set, the the sunset, so the language survives the betrayals of time.


Well sorry about that, No robots. I know you dig Jesus, but I think as presented in the gospels, he is not always admirable.

Daniel

Reason

Even though the babble is far from clear about damn near everything, this is one item where it spells it out pretty well. Nonetheless, preachers, teachers, and other religious creepers work very hard to obfuscate what constitutes blaspheming the holy spook. They do this to instill another layer of FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) in believers to ensure they keep coming to services, keep coming to bible study, keep buying the teaching tapes, and--most importantly--keep pouring at least 10 percent (preferably more) of their income down the rat hole offering plate.

TV evangelists are the worst. I harbor a fantasy about all of them gathering at a convention, where the insatiable toilets among them meet the inexhaustible assholes and they cancel each other out.