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Chili · 10-18-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aspirin99

Actually, I think he dragged his colt behind his ass going into Jerusalem. Or maybe he got his ass on the colt and rode them both into Jerusalem.

They are nice icons but can't find them.

Fact is, to Bethlehem the ass is led as if by tradition (hence bethrothed to a virgin from Nazareth is right) while into the New Jerusalem both the Old and the New must be mounted by the ridder (knight).

Chili · 10-18-2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Awmte

I'm not even going to pretend to understand this. Where do you get this Dali-esque symbolism from?

It follows from the fall of man wherein our return to Eden requires the complete surrender of our faculty of reason.

Chili · 10-18-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ichabod crane

That is very un-Trinitarian of him. Hence the typical Pauline greeting is from "God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ". My question to you: If Paul really though that Jesus was OT Yahweh, why not just say so in so many words? It's easy enough to do in Greek.

May I add that Jesus will never be the same OT Yahweh but was another Lord God-in-becoming that crystallized when he was raised and was confirmed with the exclamation of Thomas "my Lord and my God" when all doubt was removed.

Wads4 · 10-19-2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

May I add that Jesus will never be the same OT Yahweh but was another Lord God-in-becoming that crystallized when he was raised and was confirmed with the exclamation of Thomas "my Lord and my God" when all doubt was removed.

So two Gods then?

Wads4 · 10-19-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

It follows from the fall of man wherein our return to Eden requires the complete surrender of our faculty of reason.

Wasn't it Paul who started off this whole ''fools for Christ'' bit of deviancy?
Why should we take any notice of him? Besides, in your statement you are using a form of inverted perverted logic, and therefore reason, to try and persuade us why we have to surrender reason;-so you have not yet abandoned it yourself.

Johnny Skeptic · 10-19-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chili

I like the virgin birth. Nice concept.

I like Santa Claus. Nice concept.

Toto · 10-19-2005, 11:31 AM

I had hoped to avoid burdening Elsewhere with this, but if you are going to keep responding, it's going down to the basement.

Chili · 10-19-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

I like Santa Claus. Nice concept.

It is inspired, yes, to be a forshadow of things to come in the life of adults.

Now Santa Claus is a perversion of St. Nicholas by people who have lost sight of this eternal truth. I have several posts on this but it amounts to this saint being as omni as God but is for children only. It is celebrated on Dec.6 after his arrival is awaited in fear and trembling to foreshadow Advent, Christ-mas and subsequent Epiphany when gifts are received.

iLoveKnowledge · 10-27-2005, 08:46 AM

How odd, i could swear i read somewhere that religious historians and experts in folklore never found much evidence for the idea of St. Nicholas being a real person, much less an original construct. IIRC, the idea is that he is basically a fabrication, or at least the result of taking bits from myths about Posideon, Neptune and another god whose name i can't recall right now.

So they lied, i guess, if i'm supposed to take Chili's word for it.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	I had hoped to avoid burdening Elsewhere with this, but if you are going to keep responding, it's going down to the basement.

10-27-2005, 08:46 AM	#19
iLoveKnowledge Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Addicted to Nox Arcana and Amethystium Posts: 2,675	How odd, i could swear i read somewhere that religious historians and experts in folklore never found much evidence for the idea of St. Nicholas being a real person, much less an original construct. IIRC, the idea is that he is basically a fabrication, or at least the result of taking bits from myths about Posideon, Neptune and another god whose name i can't recall right now. So they lied, i guess, if i'm supposed to take Chili's word for it.

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