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DCHindley · 04-02-2012, 03:52 PM

The original German version of this book was Wann wurden unsere Evangelien verfasst? (1865)

Just the connection made in the latter part of the web article to Szekely gives me reason to pause. The citation is fraudelent and fabricated to make use of turns of phrase used by Tischendorf, such as "We must also frankly admit ..."

DCH

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

I think the quote may be related to this passage from When were our Gospels written ?

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We must also frankly admit that we have no other source of information with respect to the life of Jesus than the sacred writings. In fact, whatever the early ages of the Church report to us concerning the person of Christ from any independent source is either derived from the Gospels, or is made up of a few insignificant details of no value in themselves, or is sometimes drawn from hostile sources.

There is no reference here to material assembled in the fourth century.

Andrew Criddle

Solo · 04-17-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewcriddle

I think the quote may be related to this passage from When were our Gospels written ?

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We must also frankly admit that we have no other source of information with respect to the life of Jesus than the sacred writings. In fact, whatever the early ages of the Church report to us concerning the person of Christ from any independent source is either derived from the Gospels, or is made up of a few insignificant details of no value in themselves, or is sometimes drawn from hostile sources.

There is no reference here to material assembled in the fourth century.

Andrew Criddle

Hi Andrew / David,
sorry, I have missed your question and David's response: the quote is in my "miscellaneous quotes" folders. It was lifted from another Bushby's web page. It came with a source, so I considered it safe. I probably would not have, had Bushby attributed the controversial Leo X. saying (which was next to it) to Baronius' Annales (as is done routinely elsewhere on the web).

Anyhow, thanks for catching the misquote.

Best,
Jiri

James The Least · 04-17-2012, 05:41 PM

The thing about Tacitus that people like Ehrman never bring up is why the Chrestians (sic) would be a group so "hated for their abominations" as early as 64 that Nero felt totally confident in rounding them up and burning them because no one would complain.

We are told that the Christian mission to Rome only started in the 50s and was initially just a few people meeting at their houses.

It seems to me that if that is true, then it doesn't really explain the Neroian persecutions. The Christians would have just been a tiny group of people in a city of one million with lots of religions.

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James The Least Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: USA Posts: 393	The thing about Tacitus that people like Ehrman never bring up is why the Chrestians (sic) would be a group so "hated for their abominations" as early as 64 that Nero felt totally confident in rounding them up and burning them because no one would complain. We are told that the Christian mission to Rome only started in the 50s and was initially just a few people meeting at their houses. It seems to me that if that is true, then it doesn't really explain the Neroian persecutions. The Christians would have just been a tiny group of people in a city of one million with lots of religions.

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