BigBlue2

I can't speak for jafosei, but credit for my character goes to my parents, my teachers, my friends and the social environment I grew up in. Those are the influences that taught me right from wrong. A non-existent deity had nothing to do with it.

Where did sarpedon say anything to the contrary?

A bit rich coming from someone who probably thinks that Genesis 1:1 is scientific fact.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

There is no God.

No, I take responsibility for my own decisions.

Neither does your imaginary deity. According to your manual he will torture people's souls for all eternity if the commit the acts you have mentioned.

What love? If we don't believe in him, he'll send us to hell forever. I can do without that sort of love. I'm not even going to mention the antics that this supposedly "loving" deity got up to in the Old Testament. Fortunately there is no God, so the point is moot, really.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I usually take responsibility for my behaviour, good and bad.

Atheists don't believe in God (I wish that fact would get through to you) so they don't blame God for anything.

Vagus

Even if this rubbish were true, it would be a better outlook on life than the xian one of giving God credit for all the good things and blaming the bad on themselves.

Endymion83

*rips out hair in frustration*

Im not sure how many times we have to repeat this, but Athiest DO NOT believe in God.

Queen of Swords

God doesn’t seem to be working too hard in this regard, unfortunately.

That’s a shame. I can take pride in many things, and my life is better for that.

This would be the Solomon who had hundreds of bed partners? I’m afraid I haven’t reached that point of rampant sexuality yet either. When will your god see fit to raise me to Solomon’s level and give me a whopping harem?

Only to you, I think, and such skewed perceptions are a sad facet of fundamentalism.

I wonder if such veiled threats produce tingly feelings on the part of those who make them.

Perhaps you should be proselytizing to children then.

Too bad I’ve never raped or murdered, then.

Have you heard of this religion called “christianity�?, Joyfilled? It says that if you reject its deity-of-choice, he’ll torture you forever. You must evidently have a different religion, one where the deity forgives you for this, rather than sending you to hell.

What is the name of your deity, by the way? Fluffy?

Actually, I believe facts over the bleatings of those who claim to speak for god. Oh, wait, I forgot. The opinions of such people = the opinions of god. One and the same.

What is with this focus on sex as something that involves “using�? and “conquests�?, rather than mutual pleasure and good memories (which is what I have)?

I’m tempted to conclude that a lousy sex life is involved in the creation of a fundamentalist.

When I see some of it, perhaps. So far all I have seen from his most vocal adherents is inane repetition of unsupported assertions at best, and downright hypocrisy and veiled threats at worst.

If you’re speaking of your own posts, what an understatement.

Weltall

You have shown yourself incapable of having a sense of humor.
Children can also come to the realization that your invisible friend is one evil bastard if people don't indoctrinate them from an age where they're too young to think for themselves.
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"
Funny, when did you start talking about yourself?

Eudaimonist

And good judgment. There is no wisdom without reason and experience. Humility is not enough.

Agreed. Are you doing this?

As does faith, but I don't expect you to understand this.

Mageth

I said "The supposed problem of "pride" is an invention of your religion." Please quote me correctly. And it might also help if you learned how to parse English sentences.

I didn't say or imply that pride doesn't exist. I was referring to the "problem of pride" that Christianity invented. Christianity invented the problem, get it? Pride exists, and as I clearly said is not necessarily bad; Christianity, however, makes it a problem with cosmic consequences.

I haven't lied, and I didn't contradict myself. You, however, have for some reason misinterpreted and misquoted what I said. And in implying that I'm a liar, you are making an accusation without basis, an unjustified accusation. What, exactly, made you do that?

I agree; your arguments aren't very good. In fact, I don't think I've seen you make anything that would properly be labeled an argument. In-your-face assertions, threats of future humbling of your opponents ("Those who think they know better than Jesus does will one day be shown just who is in control of the universe"), and assorted other vitriolic content don't go over too well around here. Hence, we've had nothing decent to argue against, and a lot of vitriol to toy around with.

So far, your "arguments" have provided nothing more than a bit of mild amusement for the posters around here. Perhaps you could learn to tone it down a bit, drop the in-your-face assertions, and actually try to pose something resembling arguments making a rational defense of your beliefs. I think you'd find we'd for the most part be more than willing to carry on a reasonable discussion if you're actually here to have one.

Like the false claims you've made about me (e.g. inferring that I'm a liar)?

Methinks you're overstating your prowess a bit...what, exactly, makes you do that?

And I have yet to see you pose anything close to an actual argument on this thread. As I said, you've made assertions, some threats of future humbling, and some half-baked responses, like the seriously flawed one you made to me which I just dismantled with ease. It didn't even require a straw to do so.

What "truth" are you speaking of? I've seen you make no arguments in support of any "truth". Only various unsupported assertions of truth. That simply doesn't cut it.

Queen of Swords

"But the the second guy," Jesus continued, "this Mr. Exalted, he'll be humbled, because that's just my dad's response to exaltation. And the first guy, the humbled fellow, will be exalted, because humility leads to exaltation. After that, of course, they are exalted and humbled again, respectively."

Sorry, you've come to the wrong place. The doormat factory is three blocks away.

Doesn't this just mean we'll be exalted?

winstonjen

That's possible, but there is also a lot to be gained from listening to your subordinates (which god does too, to Abraham, supposedly). However, in most of the bible, god basically dictates to everyone else what should be done.

Submitting to everyone can also lead to exploitation.

Dean Anderson

Joyfilled, a few simple questions for you, with answers from a Christian view and an atheist view. In each case, I want you to tell me which is the most humble answer and why.

1) What is the origin of humans?

Christian: "Humans are specially made in the image of the creator of the universe."

Atheist: "Humans arose from other primates and are simply another animal - albeit the most intelligent one we know of."

2) Where did the universe come from?

Christian: "The universe was created especially for us."

Atheist: "We have various theories that can tell us approximately how the universe began, but we don't know all the details for certain."

3) What is our relationship with the universe?

Christian: "The creator of the universe has a special relationship with each one of us and will personally judge us."

Atheist: "Our lives are small and insignificant compared to the universe, but - since these lives are all we have, we may as well make the best of them."

4) What is our relationship with other animals?

Christian: "Humans are special because they have souls and were created in the image of the creator of the universe. Animals are given to us by the creator and are insignificant - ours to do what we want with."

Atheist: "Humans happen to be rather intelligent, as animals go, but this doesn't make them superior - just different. Besides, we haven't been here long compared to many species. It may turn out that intelligence isn't much of an advantage when it comes to long term survival of our species - if we blow ourselves up or something."

5) How do you know these answers?

Christian: "I have definite knowledge of what I speak because the creator of the universe has told me the Truth."

Atheist: "We have come to these conclusions after many years of scientific enquiry. We believe they are mostly right, but we are pretty much certain that they are not exactly right - and that there is a lot we don't know."

Remind me again which of these worldviews is humble and which is prideful and self-important?