Juststeve

Horatio Parker:

Your first sentence is a plausible explanation for how the resurrection story got started, not my favorite but possible, but I think it gratuitous to suggest that Paul and Company were preaching about someone other than the crucified wise man or sage who disappeared. Why multiply entities just to avoid the conclusion that the body that disappeared belonged to Jesus?

Steve

Horatio Parker

I don't know about gratuitous, but there is a view, granted a minority view, that Paul was writing about a spiritual being, not a physical being. If so, that being could not have been the same one who disappeared from the tomb.

I tend to think that there is little if any historical information about Jesus in the gospels. I think some of these stories involved characters based on real people, so in some sense there was a historical Jesus, or, more likely IMO, Jesuses.

Kapyong

Gday,

But you are NOT just "wondering" at all !

It's seems that your argument is :
"So many people believed it, that it must be true"
(If not - then WHAT is your point?)

But you cannot seem to actually make you argument clearly - are you embarassed by that argument?


K.

aa5874

Your post are recorded.

You know that it is NOT Christian alone who believe the Jesus story is NOT bull shit.

You should be aware that there are non-Christians who do not accept that the Jesus story is all bull shit and that they also act upon their belief.

I consider that the Jesus story is bull shit until some credible source of antiquity can be found.

The Jesus story read like Ghost stories or Myth fables of antiquity.

1. In the NT, The father of Jesus was a Holy Ghost. See Matthew 1 and Luke 1

2. In the NT, When Jesus was baptized a Holy Ghost entered into the "body of the Ghost Child". See Mattthew 3

3. In the NT, Jesus looked like a Ghost when he was walking on the sea. See Mark 6

4. In the NT, Jesus looked like a Ghost AFTER he was resurrected. See Luke 24

5.In the NT, Jesus TRANSFIGURED and was talking with TWO Ghosts. See Mark 9

6.In the NT, It was the Holy Ghost that started the Jesus cult under the name of Christ. See Acts 2

Why do people believe the Ghost stories in the NT is NOT bull shit?

Not me. I live in the 21st century and can EASILY recognise blatant implausible fiction stories and shameless NONSENSE.

Even 1800 years ago a Christian writer RECOGNISED and ADMITTED that the Jesus story was like MYTH fables of the Greeks and Romans.

See "First Apology" XXI Why must people believe ADMITTED stories that are NO different to Myth fables are NOT bull shit?

Please don't blame ONLY the Christians.

It is NOT Christians alone who BELIEVE the Jesus stories are NOT myth fables.

Steve Weiss

I love payback time. I love to ask religionists questions that expose their ignorance and irrationality and make them squirm. I like putting them on the back foot and holding a mirror up to their hypocrisy and historical immorality. I hate the idea that they gain credibility by default because those with better premises don't assert themselves and demolish their irrationality using reason and facts. I, for one, won't let them off the hook for the evil of irrationality. Bring it! They don't know what's waiting for them when they engage me.

Steve Weiss

You give too much credit to the Jesus stories and defame bullshit by comparison. Just look at the many useful things that sacred cows provide in Hindu culture. Hindus bring cows into their houses and are pleased when the cow (bulls as well I assume) shits on the floor. They love to handle the shit and use it for many purposes. So, bullshit has utilitarian value where Christianity has none.

Doug Shaver

No, sorry, I can't. I just saw what looked for all the world like a rhetorical question with a presupposed answer, and I responded accordingly.

Either I never saw that post, or I forgot having seen it. My apologies.

Solo

Mark 13:27,30: And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. ... Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

N.S. Khruschev at the XXII. congress of the Communist Party of USSR (1961): "The current generation of the Soviet people will live under communism".

But two examples of false promises of salvation made to the humourless.

Best,
Jiri

aa5874

I don't know who all were in attendance at the XXII congress of the Communist Party but in gMark 13 it is claimed Jesus had a PRIVATE CONVERSATION with FOUR disciples, Peter, James, John and Andrew.

Mark 13 In the NT, Mark 13 was a PRIVATE conversation with FOUR disciples.

And further in gMark, Jesus did NOT want the Jews to be saved and he PRIVATELY told his disciples.

Mark 4 In gMark Jesus did NOT offer salvation to the Jews.

Perhaps N.S. Khruschev offered salvation to the Communists but in gMark Jesus DELIBERATELY wanted the Jews to be DESTROYED.

Mark 4.

Solo

Which is exactly the point on which you would expect the humourless stumble....time and again. :constern01:

Best,
Jiri