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Old 03-25-2007, 08:39 PM   #1
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Default Momigliano, Eusebius and Invention of new forms of historiography

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For the umpteenth time, M. says no such thing. And you are persistently misreading and misrepresenting him when you say he does.

Nor does M say, as you would see if you actually went to a library and took the time to read his The Classical Foundations of Modern Historiography and The Conflict Between Paganism and Christianity in the Fourth Century,
Here is an extract from The Conflict Between Paganism and Christianity in the Fourth Century. I have BOLDED the statements
made by Momigliano in reference to "inventions" ...
The traditional forms of higher historiography did not attract the Christians. They invented new ones. These inventions are the most important contributions made to historiography after the fifth- century B.C., and before the sixteenth century A.D. Yet the pagans are allowed by the Christians to remain the masters of traditional historiographical forms. To put it briefly, the Christians invented ecclesiastical history and the biography of the saints, but did not try to Christianize ordinary political history; and they influenced ordinary biography less than we would expect. In the fourth century A.D. there was no serious attempt to provide a Christian version of say, Thucydides or Tacitus — to mention two writers who were still being seriously studied. A reinterpretation of ordinary military, political or diplomatic history in Christian terms was neither achieved nor even attempted. Lactantius in the De Mortibus persecutorum is perhaps the only Christian writer to touch upon social and political events. He does so in a conservative and senatorial spirit which must be embarrassing to those who identify the Christians with, the lower middle class, but he never seriously develops his political interpretation: he is not to be compared as an analyst with, Ammianus Marcellinus or even with the Scriptores Historiae Augusta.

The consequence is plain. No real Christian historiography founded upon the political experience of Herodotus, Thucydides, Livy and Tacitus was transmitted to the Middle Ages. This is already apparent in the sixth century when a military and political historian like Procopius was basically pagan in outlook and technique. When in the fifteenth, and sixteenth, centuries the humanists rediscovered their Herodotus, Thucydides, Livy and Tacitus, they rediscovered something for which, there was no plain Christian alternative. It is not for me to say whether an alternative was possible: whether an earlier Tacitus christianus would have been less foolish, than the post-Reformation One. What I must point out is that the conditions which made Machiavelli and Guicciardini possible originated in the fourth century AD. The models for political and military history remained irretrievably pagan. In the higher historiography there was nothing comparable with the easy Christianizing of the pagan breviaria.

Here again Eusebius was the decisive influence. How much he owed to predecessors, and especially to the shadowy Hegesippus, we shall never know, unless new evidence is discovered
(22). But it is fairly clear that Hegesippus wrote apologetic, not history. Apart from him, there is no other name that can seriously compete with Eusebius’ for the invention of ecclesiastical history. He was not vainly boasting when he asserted that he was the ‘first to enter on this Undertaking as travellers do on some desolate and untrodden way’ (23).

Eusebius, like any other educated man, knew what proper history was. He knew that it was a rhetorical work with a maximum of invented speeches and a minimum of authentic documents. Since he chose to give plenty of documents and refrained from inventing speeches, he must have intended to produce something different from ordinary history. Did he then intend to produce a preparatory work to history, hypomnema? This is hardly credible. First of all, historical hypomnemata were normally confined to contemporary events. Secondly, Eusebius speaks as if he were writing history, and not collecting materials for a future history.

It was Eduard Schwartz who in one of his most whimsical moments suggested that German professors of Kirchengeschichte had been the victims of their poor Greek. They had not understood that Ekklesiiastike historia did not mean Kirchengeschichte, but Materialen zur Kirchengeschichte. Eduard Schwartz, of course was fighting his great battle against the isolation of ecclesiastical history in German universities, and we who share his beliefs can hardly blame him for this paradox. But a paradox it was (24).

Eusebius knew only too well that he was writing a new kind of history. The Christians were a nation in his view. Thus he was writing national history. But his nation had a transcendental origin. Though it had appeared on earth in Augustus’ time, it was born in heaven ‘with the first dispensation concerning the Christ himself’ (1.1.8). Such, a nation was not fighting ordinary wars. Its struggles were persecutions and heresies. Behind the Christian nation there was Christ, just as the devil was behind its enemies. The ecclesiastical history was bound to be different from ordinary history because it was a history of the struggle against the devil, who tried to pollute the purity of the Christian Church as guaranteed by the apostolic succession.

Having started to collect his materials during Diocletian’s persecutions, Eusebius never forgot his original purpose which was to produce factual evidence about the past and about the character of the persecuted Church. He piled up his evidence of quotations from reputable authorities and records in the form that was natural to any ancient controversialist. As he was dealing with a Church that represented a school of thought there was much he could learn, in the matter of presentation from the histories of philosophic schools which, he knew well. These dealt with doctrinal controversies, questions of authenticity, successions of scholarchs. But he did away with all that was anecdotal and worldly in the pagan biographies of philosophers. This is why we shall never know whether Clemens Alexandrinus was fond of eating green figs and of basking in the sun — which are established points in the biography of Zeno the Stoic. At the same time Eusebius certainly had in mind Jewish-Hellenistic historiography, as exemplified for him and for us by Flavius Josephus. In Josephus he found the emphasis on the past, the apologetic tone, the doctrinal digression, the display (though not so lavish) of documents: above all there was the idea of a nation which is different from ordinary pagan nations. Jewish historiography emphatically underlined the importance of the remote past in comparison with recent times and the importance of cult in comparison with, politics.

The suggestion that Eusebius combined the methods of philosophic historiography with the approach, of Jewish-Hellenistic historiography has at least the merit of being a guide to the sources of his thought. Yet it is far from accounting for all the main features of his work. There were obvious differences between the history of the Church and that of any other institution. Persecution had been an all-pervading factor of Christianity. Heresy was a new conception which (whatever its origins) had hardly the same importance in any other school of thought, even in Judaism. An account of the Christian Church based on the notion of orthodoxy and on its relations with a persecuting power was bound to be something different from any other historical account. The new type of exposition chosen by Eusebius proved to be adequate to the new type of institution represented by the Christian Church. It was founded upon authority and not upon the free judgement of which the pagan historians were proud. His contemporaries felt that he had made a new start. Continuators, imitators and translators multiplied. Some of them (most particularly Sozomen) tried to be more conventional in their historiographical style, more obedient to rhetorical traditions. None departed from the main structure of Eusebius’ creation with its emphasis on the struggle against persecutors and heretics and therefore on the purity and continuity of the doctrinal tradition.

Eusebius introduced a new type of historical exposition which was characterized by the importance attributed to the more remote past, by the central position of doctrinal controversies and by the lavish use of documents.


I am not yet able to answer two questions which are very much on my mind: whether in the Middle Ages there was a school of pure ecclesiastical history from Cassiodorus to Bede, to Adam of Bremen and to John of Salisbury; and whether this school, if any, was characterized by a special interest in documents. What is certain is that from the sixteenth, to the eighteenth, century ecclesiastical history (especially of the early Church) was treated with a much, greater display of erudition, with much more care for minute analysis of the evidence than any other type of history. There is no work in profane history comparable with the Magdeburg Centuriators and with Baronius. Naturally this is the expression of the fiercely controversial character which ecclesiastical history assumed with the Reformation. But we may well wonder whether the ecclesiastical historians of the Renaissance would have entered upon this path of erudition and documentation — and incidentally of illegibility — without the powerful precedent of Eusehius and his immediate pupils. Conversely, we may well wonder whether modern political historiography would ever have emerged from rhetoric and pragmatism to footnotes and appendixes without the example of ecclesiastical history. The first man who applied careful scrutiny of the evidence to the history of the Roman empire was Le Nain de Tillemont, who came from ecclesiastical history and worked in both fields. Among the Maurists of St Germaim-des-Prés erudition spread from ecclesiastical to profane, even to literary history. Perhaps we have all underestimated the impact of ecclesiastical history on the development of historical method. A new chapter of historiography begins with Eusebius not only because he invented ecclesiastical history, but because he wrote it with a documentation which is utterly different from that of the pagan historians (25).

Thus we are brought back to our main point. Eusebius made history positively and negatively by creating ecclesiastical history and by leaving political history alone. In a comparable manner another Christian invented the biography of the saints and left the biography of generals and politicians to the pagans. The inventor was Athanasius,
whose life of St Anthony was promptly made available in Latin by Euagrius.
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nor is it a fact, that the only historians under Constantine were "ecclesiastical" ones.
Which historian did you have in mind?


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What he does charge Eusebius with is being a better historian than others before him in realizing the necessity of providing as much documentation for his historical claims as possible and in dealing with subjects beyond that of a city's/state's wars or its political history or its ethnic origins.
On the contrary, hereunder M charges Eusebius with being
an incompetent chronographer ...
He seems to have been the first to use the convenient method of presenting the chronology of the various nations in parallel columns. None of the earlier chronographers seems to have used this scheme, though it has often been attributed to Castor or to Julius Africanus. He made many mistakes, but they do not surprise us any longer. Fifty years ago Eduard Schwartz, to save Eusebius’ reputation as a competent chronographer, conjectured that the two extant representatives of the lost original of Eusebius’ Chronicon — the Latin adaptation by St Jerome and the anonymous Armenian translation — were based on an interpolated text which passed for pure Eusebius. This conjecture is perhaps unnecessary; nor are we certain that the Armenian version is closer to the original than St Jerome’s Latin translation. Both versions reflect the inevitable vagaries of Eusebius’ mind to whom chronology was something between an exact science and an instrument of propaganda.
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Contrary to Jeffrey's claims,
my claims are these:

1) Momigliano claims Eusebius as the inventor of a new form
of historiography
(ie: "Ecclesiastical History");

2) Momigliano does not have a good opinion of Eusebius.

Is there any object person in this forum who is capable
of reading the article (references provided above) and
making a comment on these claims.

I would expect that these claims are foundational to the
integrity of BC&H studies, seeing that the literature tendered
by Eusebius is foundational to the entire discipline, and that
Arnaldo Momigliano was one of the most qualified ancient
historians of the last century.
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Bryn Mawr Classical Review 01.02.15

Arnaldo Momigliano, The Classical Foundations of Modern Historiography.
Sather Classical Lectures, 54 Berkeley:
University of California Press, 1990.
Pp. 162. ISBN 0-520-06890-4.
Reviewed by T. Corey Brennan, Bryn Mawr College.


Chapter Six delineates trends in ecclesiastical historiography,
with particular attention to the immense authority which accrued
to its "inventor", Eusebius
(thanks largely to Rufinus' Latin translation).
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Contrary to Jeffrey's claims,
my claims are these:

1) Momigliano claims Eusebius as the inventor of a new form
of historiography
(ie: "Ecclesiastical History");

2) Momigliano does not have a good opinion of Eusebius.

Is there any object person in this forum who is capable
of reading the article (references provided above) and
making a comment on these claims.

I would expect that these claims are foundational to the
integrity of BC&H studies, seeing that the literature tendered
by Eusebius is foundational to the entire discipline, and that
Arnaldo Momigliano was one of the most qualified ancient
historians of the last century.
Eusebius is not considered the writer of the gospels, or is he? If he invented things that would be considered separate from the gospels.

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Eusebius is not considered the writer of the gospels, or is he?
No. Not yet. The question is being asked, however.

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If he invented things that would be considered separate from the gospels.
He was an author who wrote many works at an interesting
period in history. His literary inventions however have been
identified in the strangest places, by various researchers
over the last few hundred years.

Have a look at this article:
The Historical Integrity of Eusebius of Caesarea
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Extracted from Michael Grant's The Ancient Historians:
p.345

More remarkable, from the point of view of historiography,
was an innovation which had taken place as early
as the reign of Constantine. That was the creation of
ecclesiastical history
: the description of the most
astonishing and enigmatic phenomenom of the age, the
rise of Christianity.
Here we have another ancient historian clearly
supporting the assertions of Momigliano concerning the
invention of a new form of historiography during the
regime of a malevolent despot and military supremacist.

Did Constantine Invent Christianity?
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