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Old 02-13-2008, 07:30 PM   #21
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There are about 10, roughly and going from memory, hints or indications or call them what you want , that the gospel of "Mark" was written after 70CE, later in the first century, possibly very late in the first century, possibly in the second century.
This concentration on the temple tends to detract from the other chronological indicators.
Just to throw a few of these 'late date' indicators into the fray I'll mention:
-JC being called 'rabbi'..there has been a recent thread here where some made the point that this is a post 70 CE anachronism as the term was probably/certainly not used until after the purported era of JC.
-similarly the use of synagogues as a setting for some of JCs actions when some argue that synagogues, as suggested by the gospels, were non-existent in the area until during and after 70CE, probably much after.
-the custom of all Jews washing their hands is possibly a second century anachronism and reference to such would suggest an early second century writing.
-the naming of the demon as 'Legion' is seen by some as a reference to the Roman legion X Fretensis stationed in the area only during the Roman -Jewish war, or it is seen by some to be a veiled reference to an incident in that war recorded by Josephus years later and his work may have been the source for the author of "Mark".
There are others but that should do for now just to establish that the dating of g"Mark" to pre -70CE is not as firm as sometimes asserted, even when the temple issue is not considered.
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Default Masada and the 2 totally opposed types of Galilaeans.

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Why was the destruction of Jerusalem not mentioned in the Gospels? Christians claim it is because they were ALL written before 70CE.

So why no mention of the destruction? Should have been a pretty cataclysmic event. Sort of like a first century 9/11.



Perhaps because the Roman propaganda in the christian
bible did not want to acknowledge the determined Jewish
resistance fighters, who suicided in preference to submital
to the Romans. The reputation of the Galilaeans had
absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the figure of Jesus,
and rather everything to do with the resistance fighter, the
Hebew rebel, the Hebrew "Guerrilla".

The NT presents a different type of Galilaean. The Galilaean
followers of Jesus Christ were meek and mild. See Gibbon's
comments on the two extremely different types of
Galilaeans, of which, the war-like one was dominant in the
minds of the citizens of the empire, well before the
"christian" Galilaeans made their appearance in history.


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Old 02-14-2008, 03:40 AM   #23
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Why was the destruction of Jerusalem not mentioned in the Gospels? Christians claim it is because they were ALL written before 70CE.
Um...the destruction of Jerusalem is mentioned in the gospels. Here is an example from Luke chapter 21


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20"When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
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