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09-24-2007, 05:29 AM | #61 |
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I think what Dave is doing is parroting the Wiseman's (father and son) analysis or popularity analysis cloaked in pseudo-archaeological evidence based on Nuzi, Mari and Ebla findings in regards to the "Tablet Theory" (do correct me if I am wrong). However, the proposition by Graf in regards to DH still holds as a solid analysis for the OT.
IF Moses was the secondary author (who transcribed the tablets), then JEDP still holds as a critique more so if for example Nuzi tablets are Akkadian yet the JEDP shows a mixture of semetic languages.. Regards, Alcyonian |
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I've read Josh McDowell.
Josh McDowell is (not) a friend of mine. Josh McDowell is no biblical scholar. |
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I've given you a fairly lengthy description of the evidence for the Documentary Hypothesis, and the conclusions that the DH derives from this. If you wish to attack the DH, attack what I have written about it. Why would you prefer to attack what an opponent of the DH claims the DH is than to attack what the DH proponent that you are actually talking to says it is? Quote:
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If, of course, you are demanding that I produce actual physical copies of these old documents, then I'll just demand the same from you - to produce an actual physical copy of a pre-flood tablet written by Adam. |
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In 1982 McDowell was awarded an honorary Doctor of Laws degree by the Simon Greenleaf School of Law, in recognition of his ministry and writings. McDowell was also a visiting lecturer at that school in the 1980s.I just had a horrid flashback of Doctor Hovind and Patriot University. |
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I have a horrible feeling that his argument is simply: 1) I believe in The Flood and the Young Earth. 2) Wiseman's theory entails an historical Moses and an historical Adam. 3) Therefore I can use Wiseman's theory to support my beliefs. 4) The DH contradicts Wiseman's theory. 5) McDowell claims that the DH is "refuted". 6) Therefore, I'll use McDowell's claims to discredit the DH. I'm hoping that he will prove me wrong - but his emphasis so far on what McDowell says, rather than what Wiseman says or what the DH itself says does not fill me with confidence... |
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Genesis is an oral tradition and made up at that.
Morning Dave. I missed whether you were going to retract or defend your position on Yamaguchi. I made a thread and I saw that you looked in it. Just Curious which it is. It bothers me to think that you might stoop to dishonesty. We've become friends and all. |
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Oh well. You're not into figuring out what your sources are saying I guess. Just wondering about yamaguchi. I'll bump the thread for you. |
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To offer a refutation of the JEDP is to blatantly question the actual authenticity of the Pentateuch - seriously. Unless McDowell is claiming an interpolation. Most probably its aetiologically incohesive with a compilation (Siberlman and Finkelstein - Archaeology Today: The Bible Unearthed) of authors, post-Moses (though thats a whole different thread altogether). However, more bluntly, McDowell is not a credible source. Regards, Alcyonian |
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This is certainly not true. Genesis bristles with literary artefacts, different versions of the same story -- sometimes threaded together --, structuring devices such as the toledoths (summary statements mentioning generations), stories from earlier literary traditions, such as creation and the flood, and those earlier traditions can sometimes help to make clearer the more cryptic aspects of the Genesis text.
Oral tradition, schmoral tradition. spin |
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