No Robots

What can you do about a blind man who insists that the sky is not blue? It is certainly not his fault that he is blind, and perhaps he really has what he considers to be a good reason for insisting that the sky cannot be blue. Nevertheless, I see no reason why others should not continue to assert that the sky is indeed blue.

aa5874

But, Saul/Paul talked to "Jesus" after he ascended through the white clouds in the blue sky, while he was blinded to reality by some kind of bright light.

I think we should all assert that the Saul/Paul conversion story is indeed fiction.

If Jesus was human and had died, then Paul lied when he claimed Jesus was coming back for dead believers when God blows some kind of trumpet.

The historical Jesus is untenable. If Jesus was just human, then the entire NT is a package of stupidity and monstrous lies.

If Jesus was just human, then John the Baptist would have propagated false information about Jesus.

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The coquette lies in bed staring up at the ceiling, that ceiling transformed into sky blue, bright sunny day and the parting of the clouds in a prospect of paradise. You complain when the rustic boy only sees the ceiling and not that ideal sky. You promise him more than you will provide and in his disappointment from your rejection of him you blame him and chide him: "that's not a ceiling, you blind klutz."

Your coquetry is undone and your wantonness is exposed. Be good and give him at least a sly glimpse of what he wants.


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Doug Shaver

Yes, I understand that.

Doug Shaver

Paul didn't write about a historical Jesus.

aa5874

The historical Jesus is a stupid monstrous lie, no author of the NT could have actually written about an historical Jesus, even though it is claimed Jesus was physically a man, circumcised on the 8th day.

The Jesus of the NT was just a story.

And the letter writer did admit that whoever or whatever he preached was stupidity to the Greeks.

1 Cor. 1.23

Jeffrey Gibson

I'd be very grateful if you could show me that any 1st century Greek speaking person, let alone those to whom Paul writes in Corinth, understood μωρία (the word that your translation renders "fooliihness") to mean or be synonymous with "stupidity".

What Greek lexical evidence can you produce to support your claim?

And since the word μωρία is used in 1 Cor. with specific reference to Greek ideas (and particularly Stoic ideas, since μωρία is a tt in Stoicism) about when it is reasonable/wise (σοφία) and when it is foolish (μωρία) to give one's life as Paul here proclaims Christ/Jesus did, isn't the background to 1 Cor. 1:23 the view set out in comteporary Greco-Roman philosophy that the only causes for which the giving up or making exit of one’s
life were “reasonable”, and therefore in conformity with “wisdom”, were to provide for the good of one’s country or one’s friends or to escape intolerable pain, mutilation, or incurable disease, and that dying for one’s enemies, as Paul says /Christ/Jesus did, was the height of irrationality (Cf. Diogenes Laertius, 7.130 [Zeno])?

I'd be vey grateful to have your considered and informed thoughts on this.

Jeffrey

No Robots

Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you.
For every one that asketh, receiveth: and he that seeketh, findeth: and to him that knocketh, it shall be opened.

--Mt 7:7-8

aa5874

But, if it is supposed that Jesus was a man, then that passage is contradicted by Jesus in the very same chapter.

Matthew 7.21 The historical Jesus was a monstrous lie. He was bad news to the Jews.

Matthew 3. The WRATH came and was executed as a blasphemer.

The historical Jesus was just a story gone wrong. The wrath was reversed.

No Robots

That's certainly the way his enemies saw things. Here's how Brunner puts their thinking:

There he hung, the blasphemer of God and slanderer of the most noble men, the poor malicious fool, the incorrigible wretch, the whoreson and whore monger, the swindler, the liar, the seducer.