FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > Religion (Closed) > Biblical Criticism & History
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Today at 03:12 PM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-26-2012, 05:18 PM   #21
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 393
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Serious students, if not ordinary readers, immediately recognise Jer 10:2 as concerning idols. It concerns the practice described in Isaiah 41:7 and 44:13-17. How is it that Price is unaware of what every standard commentary indicates?
You obviously didn't listen to the program. Price immediately draws a parallel between Jer 10:2 and Isaiah 44 in correctly describing the former as carving an idol, not a proto-Christmas tree.

Isaiah 44:16-17: get a load of these dumb gentiles and their wooden idols!

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. Can you believeth that shit?
James The Least is offline  
Old 12-26-2012, 05:33 PM   #22
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,057
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by James The Least View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Serious students, if not ordinary readers, immediately recognise Jer 10:2 as concerning idols. It concerns the practice described in Isaiah 41:7 and 44:13-17. How is it that Price is unaware of what every standard commentary indicates?
You obviously didn't listen to the program. Price immediately draws a parallel between Jer 10:2 and Isaiah 44 in correctly describing the former as carving an idol, not a proto-Christmas tree.

Isaiah 44:16-17: get a load of these dumb gentiles and their wooden idols!

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. Can you believeth that shit?
Can Price be believed about anything?

The word 'mass' indicates sacrifice, real, clear and present sacrifice. The word 'christ' means that no sacrifice is now necessary or even possible. Yet Price does not explain that to put 'mass' and 'christ' into the same word is the occupation of patients in certain hospital wards.

:constern01:
sotto voce is offline  
Old 12-27-2012, 07:12 AM   #23
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Alberta
Posts: 11,885
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar View Post
Quote:
Price says that this does not refer to cutting down a tree and decorating it, but to cutting down a tree and carving an idol out of it.
The text of Jeremiah doesn't say a single word about any 'carving' or 'engraving'. Simply cutting a tree down, adorning the tree with silver and gold, and fastening it solidly with nails and a hammer. That's it.
I think it applies to any manner of wood that people do this to, including their 'sacred poles' used to 'ward' off evil, or with ritual incantations perform magical 'healings'. ( and even if they substitute glue and screws for assembly.)
No nails allowed silly! The carving is done inside the mind that he was born that day, and that is tied into our minds.
Chili is offline  
Old 12-27-2012, 07:46 AM   #24
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Alberta
Posts: 11,885
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Can Price be believed about anything?

The word 'mass' indicates sacrifice, real, clear and present sacrifice. The word 'christ' means that no sacrifice is now necessary or even possible. Yet Price does not explain that to put 'mass' and 'christ' into the same word is the occupation of patients in certain hospital wards.

:constern01:
Correct, but you are arguing from the mind of a historicist that Christ was born that day, while they are saying the Christ-mass is the ultimate sacrifice that he may be born unto you today.

Born on the 25 implies the height in involution of which the the 2 and 5 are evidence as opposites in shape to signify the crisis moment with presense of the darkest night in life when only Christ can be born to the animal man, here now bereft of reason inside the church so he may hear the sanctuary bells ring as if for the first time in his life, and so then the real sacrifice is made.
Chili is offline  
Old 12-27-2012, 06:34 PM   #25
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 393
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by James The Least View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Serious students, if not ordinary readers, immediately recognise Jer 10:2 as concerning idols. It concerns the practice described in Isaiah 41:7 and 44:13-17. How is it that Price is unaware of what every standard commentary indicates?
You obviously didn't listen to the program. Price immediately draws a parallel between Jer 10:2 and Isaiah 44 in correctly describing the former as carving an idol, not a proto-Christmas tree.

Isaiah 44:16-17: get a load of these dumb gentiles and their wooden idols!

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. Can you believeth that shit?
Can Price be believed about anything?

The word 'mass' indicates sacrifice, real, clear and present sacrifice. The word 'christ' means that no sacrifice is now necessary or even possible. Yet Price does not explain that to put 'mass' and 'christ' into the same word is the occupation of patients in certain hospital wards.

:constern01:
It's difficult for you to admit you're wrong about something, isn't it?
James The Least is offline  
Old 12-28-2012, 04:06 AM   #26
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: UK
Posts: 3,057
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by James The Least View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by James The Least View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by sotto voce View Post
Serious students, if not ordinary readers, immediately recognise Jer 10:2 as concerning idols. It concerns the practice described in Isaiah 41:7 and 44:13-17. How is it that Price is unaware of what every standard commentary indicates?
You obviously didn't listen to the program. Price immediately draws a parallel between Jer 10:2 and Isaiah 44 in correctly describing the former as carving an idol, not a proto-Christmas tree.

Isaiah 44:16-17: get a load of these dumb gentiles and their wooden idols!

16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. Can you believeth that shit?
Can Price be believed about anything?

The word 'mass' indicates sacrifice, real, clear and present sacrifice. The word 'christ' means that no sacrifice is now necessary or even possible. Yet Price does not explain that to put 'mass' and 'christ' into the same word is the occupation of patients in certain hospital wards.

:constern01:
It's difficult for you to admit you're wrong about something, isn't it?
Why don't you show us how it's done, James. After all, you have so much scope for it.
sotto voce is offline  
Old 12-28-2012, 05:16 AM   #27
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: On the path of knowledge
Posts: 8,889
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chili View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar View Post
Quote:
Price says that this does not refer to cutting down a tree and decorating it, but to cutting down a tree and carving an idol out of it.
The text of Jeremiah doesn't say a single word about any 'carving' or 'engraving'. Simply cutting a tree down, adorning the tree with silver and gold, and fastening it solidly with nails and a hammer. That's it.
I think it applies to any manner of wood that people do this to, including their 'sacred poles' used to 'ward' off evil, or with ritual incantations perform magical 'healings'. ( and even if they substitute glue and screws for assembly.)
No nails allowed silly! The carving is done inside the mind that he was born that day, and that is tied into our minds.
Now all you have to do Chili, is to change Jeremiah's statement to eliminate that 'nails' mention.
Quote:
Thus saith Yahweh, Learn not the way of the heathen,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest,
the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold;
they fasten it with nails and with hammers,
that it move not.
'Cut, deck, and nail.' __ done.

Others here think nothing of adding or supplying 'carving' or 'engraving' to his words.

Some here must think Jeremiah was just too stupid to write exactly what it was that he intended.
If he had wanted 'carved' or 'engaved' in this verse, he could have written it in with three letters, or have selected different words.
He did not.

'Trees' and 'sacred poles' (ashera) set up, and fastened with nails, and held in reverence, were and are forbidden to all of The Children of Israel.

If one remains a Gentile (a 'heathen'), one remains free to ignorantly act as a heathen, but if one claims an adopted sonship into the House of Israel, and to be a child of Israel with a heritage in the Fathers, there are changes in personal CONDUCT that claiming any such adpotion entails.

Being a true Israelite is predicated upon being 'holy' -set apart- living a life of discerning and "putting a difference between" the sacred and the profane, in all matters of belief, and in personal CONDUCT, rather than just laying a claim to a name.


Robert M. Price doesn't know shit from Shinola.
Sheshbazzar is offline  
Old 12-28-2012, 08:40 AM   #28
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Alberta
Posts: 11,885
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar View Post
Price says that this does not refer to cutting down a tree and decorating it, but to cutting down a tree and carving an idol out of it.
It is typical for Christians to be wrong in everything they say and do.
Chili is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:55 PM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.