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Old 02-24-2012, 12:25 PM   #11
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The standard view is that there was no settlement in Bethlehem of Judea around the year 1 CE.
Toto, in my opinion, misinformation is even worse when you present it as an established fact instead of as a guess.
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The standard view is that there was no settlement in Bethlehem of Judea around the year 1 CE.
Toto, in my opinion, misinformation is even worse when you present it as an established fact instead of as a guess.
I presented it as the view of professional archaeologists.

You "guessed" that there must be archaeologist evidence. You guessed wrong.

You confused Nazareth with Bethlehem.

Just admit you made a mistake. We all make mistakes. It's okay.
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The standard view is that there was no settlement in Bethlehem of Judea around the year 1 CE.
Toto, in my opinion, misinformation is even worse when you present it as an established fact instead of as a guess.
I presented it as the view of professional archaeologists.
Do they all agree? Archaeologists don't, usually.
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Archaeological evidence in Jerusalem is estimated to be a small fraction of all that exists, because people are living on it. Similar may be true elsewhere. Archaeology may not be the most reliable indicator in this endeavour.
Bethlehem is not Jerusalem. It is not a crowded city.

Archaeology is all we've got.
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I presented it as the view of professional archaeologists.
Do they all agree? Archaeologists don't, usually.
I think there is general agreement that they haven't found anything to make one think that Bethlehem was inhabited.

Does it make that much of a difference? Dr. J probably wasn't born there, probably many of the other crazy stories are also fictional.

Easy enough to look up.
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Toto, in my opinion, misinformation is even worse when you present it as an established fact instead of as a guess.
I presented it as the view of professional archaeologists.
Name them.
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Archaeological evidence in Jerusalem is estimated to be a small fraction of all that exists, because people are living on it. Similar may be true elsewhere. Archaeology may not be the most reliable indicator in this endeavour.
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Bethlehem is not Jerusalem. It is not a crowded city.
It's quite crowded enough, and extensive enough (30,000 people), to more than cover the artefacts of a reputedly small first century town.

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But if it isn't enough, we must be silent. Though of course scholarship has relied on documentary evidence, that is normally deemed sufficient.
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Bethlehem not real? I thought Nazareth was not real.

Sounds like trouble to me. Looking or Jesus when Christ was born to a virgin who came from a place that did not exist and now the place where the birth to place did not exist, and hence no room at the Inn. And what else can go wrong with this?
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I presented it as the view of professional archaeologists.
Do they all agree? Archaeologists don't, usually.
I think there is general agreement that they haven't found anything to make one think that Bethlehem was inhabited.
Where is there a sign of this agreement?
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I think there is general agreement that they haven't found anything to make one think that Bethlehem was inhabited.
Where is there a sign of this agreement?
Check the link I posted.

If you have contrary evidence, as opposed to your general unwillingness to accept facts you don't like, please post it.
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