Doug Shaver

Same place they've always been.

khalimirov

Why do they need to prove anything? They believe it and are not interested in evidence. By the way, last night during dinner I said "boy, this chicken sure tastes good", but can I prove that I said that?

aa5874

This really amazes me. How can the Jesus Seminar detemine what Jesus said without having any authentic writings from Jesus himself?
It should be obvious that the words of Jesus, if he existed, cannot be confirmed, without a verified specimen of his handwriting or his writings.

The finding appears to me to be totally flawed.

Johnny Skeptic

Would any Christians like to answer the topic question?

If it cannot reasonably be estalished what Jesus said, if he rose from the dead, unless we could be reasonably certain what he said, we could not be reasonably certain why he rose from the dead.

JoeWallack

If You're Going To The Resurrection, Only One Way To Go, Put On A Rock And Roll Selection, Just Call Me Joe

Faith

JW:
With Apologies to Balkman, one Real Literary device that "Mark" uses is his Selection of supposed quotes of Jesus in Aramaic:

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_5:41

"And taking the child by the hand, he saith unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, Arise. (ASV)"

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_14:36

"And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; remove this cup from me: howbeit not what I will, but what thou wilt. (ASV)"

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Mark_15:34

"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (ASV)"

Note that 15:34 should probably be translated "Why hast thou left me?" reflecting the Separationist Style of "Mark".

Our First Evangelist than has deliberately only given the supposed Aramaic original in 3, count them 3, situ's involving Resurrection. Could this be an important theme of "Mark" that is subtly presented?

Our Christian friends here know that Jesus' supposed resurrection is unique in the Christian Bible but they can't quite put their finis on the reason why. The difference of course is that Jesus was the only one who had Faith that he would be resurrected. If anyone had actually been around to Witness Jesus' resurrection he would have said, with his best Pee-Wee Herman imitation, "I meant to do that."



Joseph

RELIGION, n.
A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

Roger Pearse

Not once I had ascertained it was young, blonde, beautiful, available, and above all, female. The rest is minutiae.

(I don't know what the context was, but I know a feed-line when I see one!)

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Minimalist

For those of us who doubt that there ever was a "Jesus" 0% seems reasonable.

spin

(The witches are from a revision by Thomas Middleton, so Shakespeare didn't say they said anything!)


spin

spamandham

I tend to agree. Paul doesn't indicate anything that Jesus actually said, and the later traditions are obvious fiction.