storytime

You guys have some interesting thoughts. And of which I thought of these.

Paul said he did not build his gospel on the foundation of others[disciples] so as not to take away from their testimony. Thus, Paul's gospel was of his own making. He did not consult those at Jerusalem but relied on what had been revealed to him.

How things were revealed to Paul is debatable, I suppose. Revelation/revealed knowledge, could be simple discernment of the purpose of Jesus, to which Paul was at first an enemy of Christ message. Paul persecuted the church of Christ. As at first an enemy of Christ Paul was blind, in darkness, unable to perceive the truth as Jesus had believed and taught his truth to be. So when the scales fell from the eyes of Paul he was no more blind, but could see. He then became a believer and disciple and noted himself as one born out of due time[season]. Could Paul then be describing his revelation in a metaphorical figure of speech?

Later in the story or additional story, Paul seems to become angry at the slow pace by which some members are not advancing the kingdom of God. He says that knowing those things of resurrection are established in Christ, people should move on to other concerns. Maybe he's talking about administrative elements of the church body, such as appointment of bishops, teachers, interpreters of languages[tongues], etc..

Geeze, I don't know. About the time I think I've got something somewhat figured out, I can detour it into a completely different direction. So, I'll just blame it on all the Paul contributors. :huh:

Toto

This particular phrase is better interpreted as Paul saying that he was born dead - literally, that he was a miscarriage. It is a figure of speech, but not related to his revelation.

Jayrok

1 Corinthians 11:23-25

Paul is quoting what Jesus supposedly said at his last supper. :huh:

Admittedly, there aren't many references as you mentioned. But this is one whether directly or indirectly quoted.

Doug Shaver

Anything noncontradictory is a possibility. However, possibility is distinct from plausibility.

I can't think of any reason to assume that.

Jayrok

It doesn't matter if Paul met or knew Jesus physically. Even if he feels Jesus revealed those words via "revelation", he still believes Jesus "said them" to his disciples.

The comment was that Paul doesn't use quotes from Jesus' life directly or indirectly. This certainly seems to be an indirect quote from something Jesus said. It doesn't matter if Paul thought it was a spiritual supper or it happened in the Earthly Jerusalem. He quoted Jesus.

Are you saying that Corinthians was written after the gospel of Luke?

Jayrok

What?

I suppose that can be your interpretation, but it seems Paul is just saying that the gospel he's preaching is "The" gospel and if his audience hears any other type of gospel they are not from God. After all, his letter to the Galatians was written because there were other people of authority telling them that they must do this or do that in order to be Christian (i.e. a different gospel from Paul's gospel).

I don't see it as Paul claiming he's Jesus or a God on Earth.

bacht

Paul was not part of the original Judean circle that came after John the baptist. That plus his innovation of preaching Christ to the Gentiles made him a "second-class" apostle to some.