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enemigo · 01-03-2006, 10:08 PM

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The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.

How is that surprising? Had the Hebrews never been in battle, or seen blood pouring out of people just before they died?

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# The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

You've got to be kidding. So when an ancient culture notices that rain comes from clouds, the only explanation for this is that God revealed this to them?

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The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

The word translated “circle�? here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,�? or “compass�? (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.

The Hebrew word chuwg does not indicate something "spherical." A circle is flat. If the author of Isaiah wanted to convey that the earth is spherical, he could have used the same terminology that he used earlier in Isaiah 22:18

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He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country...... [emphasis mine]

That Hebrew word is duwr. A ball is spherical. A circle is not.

Mountain Man · 01-03-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.

BFD. Long before that they knew that if you lost too much blood, you died.

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# The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

Not hard to figure out that water comes from clouds.

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# Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written before 1400BC—more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.

ROTLMFAO!

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I feel these are the two best ones.

Your math is bad too. That was three, and you struck out.

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The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle .....

Even with your misrepresentation of the definition, the bible says CIRCLE, a FLAT circle.

Please try better in the future. You're not helping your addiction with all this.

cgordon · 01-03-2006, 10:17 PM

Come on guys, he has a point. I mean, the Bible DID proudly discuss unicorns, identify rabbits as ungulates and label bats as birds!

Oh ... wait ... nevermind.

Half-Life · 01-03-2006, 10:20 PM

OK, don't you guys understand that in these days people thought god was making rain! They didn't think it came from clouds. They thought gods were making it water pouring water from the heavens.

MerryAtheist · 01-03-2006, 10:20 PM

Anyone can make observations of the world around them. I see nothing more than that in the "proofs" you have quoted.

Science, on the other hand, seeks to explain how these things occur. The bible just says "God does it". That ain't science.

EricK · 01-03-2006, 10:38 PM

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OK, don't you guys understand that in these days people thought god was making rain! They didn't think it came from clouds. They thought gods were making it water pouring water from the heavens.

No they didn't. They weren't stupid.

Have you spotted how it doesn't rain when there are no clouds in the sky. And some days you can look at the storm clouds in the sky and just know it is going to rain.

Well, if you can do it, so could they.

Sven · 01-04-2006, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

OK, don't you guys understand that in these days people thought god was making rain! They didn't think it came from clouds. They thought gods were making it water pouring water from the heavens.

As soon as you can provide evidence for this, you'll have a point. *shrug*

Dean Anderson · 01-04-2006, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC)

Ahem... Written when?

FatherMithras · 01-04-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Half-Life

OK, don't you guys understand that in these days people thought god was making rain! They didn't think it came from clouds. They thought gods were making it water pouring water from the heavens.

You obviously have very little knowledge of ancient history and perspectives. Please educate yourself a little more on the subject before making such statements. Anyone who lived twenty years back then could notice that people bleed to death, AND that it only rains when there's clouds above head. Anyhow, life is NOT in blood. Blood carries no "life" in it, only things necessary to live. If you inject a chair with blood it does not become alive.

Jack the Bodiless · 01-04-2006, 01:37 AM

Isaiah 40:22 is a reference to the Hebrew view of the Earth as a flat circle covered by a solid sky-dome.

That's pretty obvious from the language used: not just the use of "circle" rather than "ball", but also the notion that the heavens are "like a tent" (a flat sheet, arched over into a somewhat domelike structure covering a flat patch of ground).

This worldview is used throughout the Bible, from Genesis right through to Revelation, and in non-Biblical Hebrew books too.

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01-03-2006, 10:17 PM	#13
cgordon Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,402	Come on guys, he has a point. I mean, the Bible DID proudly discuss unicorns, identify rabbits as ungulates and label bats as birds! Oh ... wait ... nevermind.

01-03-2006, 10:20 PM	#14
Half-Life Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A place in the Northern Hemisphere of Planet Earth Posts: 1,250	OK, don't you guys understand that in these days people thought god was making rain! They didn't think it came from clouds. They thought gods were making it water pouring water from the heavens.

01-03-2006, 10:20 PM	#15
MerryAtheist Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 241	Anyone can make observations of the world around them. I see nothing more than that in the "proofs" you have quoted. Science, on the other hand, seeks to explain how these things occur. The bible just says "God does it". That ain't science.

01-04-2006, 01:37 AM	#20
Jack the Bodiless Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 5,815	Isaiah 40:22 is a reference to the Hebrew view of the Earth as a flat circle covered by a solid sky-dome. That's pretty obvious from the language used: not just the use of "circle" rather than "ball", but also the notion that the heavens are "like a tent" (a flat sheet, arched over into a somewhat domelike structure covering a flat patch of ground). This worldview is used throughout the Bible, from Genesis right through to Revelation, and in non-Biblical Hebrew books too.

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